Gen4 known to shoot left?

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by ES13Raven, May 9, 2013.


  1. just because the sight is centered, it does not mean its sighted in for YOU. The first thing i do when i get a new gun is sight it in to my style of shooting. That is what is important.

    just bump the sight over a little and move on.
     

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  2. MarkCO

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    But it is still technique! IF the trigger is pressed straight back, do POA and POI match? In most cases, yes meaning the gun does not shoot left.

    If the force vector from your finger is pointed to your left when the trigger "breaks" you WILL MOVE the gun, including the barrel and sights due to a technique error and the group will be left. No-one always has a perfect trigger pull, but sloppier techniques, especially with bony fingers, will result in moving any handheld firearm, especially a Glock when the trigger breaks.

    When you reduce the travel, weight, etc. of a trigger, you are NOT making the gun more accurate, you are reducing the impact of your poor technique. Perfect technique, with a 40 pound trigger or a 4 ounce trigger will produce the same POI and group size.

    If you don't disrupt the sights (gun does not move due to your interaction with it) as the trigger breaks, you will hit your POA. That is all shooting really is.
     

  3. Correct. And as you said earlier there are at least two problems that cause shooting left.

    1. Most handguns might already come from the factory sighted close enough for YOU, so you the shooter just goes with it and is happy. Some handguns need the sights adjusted. So YOU the shooter adjusts them.

    2. Some shooters have crappy shooting technique. One kind of gun might not magnify it, so it is not noticed much by the shooter. But another kind of gun might magnify it to such an extent that the shooter blames the gun. This happens to a lot of new Glock owners.

    If you are off target, you can be either #1 or #2.

    If your group size at 5 yards is 2", then you are likely a #2. If your group size at 25 yards is 2", then you are likely #1.

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  4. matkal

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    Just got a gen3 19. First shot dead center(flyer? LOL), the rest where 2-3" left at 25 feet
     
  5. Friend just got a Gen 4 G23. He is a good shot and it shoots left out of the box. About 1" left from point of aim at about 7 yards.

    I used my trusty MGW rear sight tool and drifted the rear sight in small increments to the right. After each adjustment, 6 shots were fired. Now shoots point of aim.

    So yes, his Glock shot left out of the box. I think with the money we spend on Glocks, it should shoot point of aim, but not every weapon will shoot the same for every shooter.

    If you zero a rifle, why don't you zero your handgun.
     
  6. kd8x

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    my G19 and G17 both shot left....moved sight right...Happy......
     

  7. Sure you can zero a handgun, but is it the right way? Zeroing a rifle is a totally different story because a lot more components influence the projectiles flight path in a amplified way because of the long distance you are mostly shooting with a rifle. There is the bullet drop due to gravitation, air resistance, etc. The spin drift of the projectile due to the rifling, then there is the rifle barrel flex, and a few more components which affect the flight path of a rifle projectile. All those factors above can be neglected when it comes to handguns shot under 50 meters. Adjustable sights on a handgun are a useless gimmick in my opinion. Glock's and other handguns are perfectly mechanically zeroed in, I am taking about the bore axis and the center line of the sights. There is also not enough play between the barrel and the slide that it might affect accuracy in a noticeable way. The lock up of a Glock is very tight.

    Let's say everything in and on your Glock is perfectly aligned, you fire it and you hit every time 2-3 inches left, why? Sure you could simply push the rear sight to right in slow steps till you hit the center, but by doing that you cheat on yourself because you pull the trigger wrong, and/or something else.
     
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  8. Fire_Medic

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    Someone else who gets it :thumbsup:
     
  9. I'm not saying you are wrong but I have fired several glocks and the only ones that have shot left are the two most recent ones I have bought. I am pretty sure it is the pistol and not me.
     
  10. Fire_Medic

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    I am not saying you are doing anything wrong either. Without seeing you shoot I can't say anything 100%.

    All I am saying is, since 2008 out of all the times someone has told me, hey can you adjust my sights I'm off to the left, all but (2) times it was the shooter and not the sights. The (2) times it was the sights, after market sights had been installed.

    The only point I was trying to raise previously in the thread to the other gentleman, is that his classic low and left syndrome is very typical with Glocks and people not use to them, notice I did not say "new shooter" only, but folks new to Glocks.

    From my experience more so with the compact size frame (G19, G23. G32). If you take a full size Glock frame (G17) and compare it to the compact frame (G19) the finger grooves are not aligned the same, the spacing is different. Hence why it is so popular on the compact models that folks with large(r) hands like to have the finger grooves removed and also usually the trigger undercut to alleviate the discomfort on the knuckle under it. Being that the compact size Glock is one of the most popular of the entire lineup for CCW/Off Duty carry for it's conceal-ability it's no wonder why this is seen so often.

    So back to part of what I originally said, without being there with the person, it's hard to say what if anything is being done wrong, but low and left with a right handed shooter is shooter error 99% of the time IMHO.

    Once again, just my $0.02
     
  11. This subject is quite puzzling isn't it? That some have problems shooting gen4's accurate could lie in the connector. Earlier gen4's cam with an heavy connector which made the trigger pull noticable heavier (about 5.5 lbs) than the pull in the gen3's and newer gen4's with a test fire date of late 2011, early 2012.
     
  12. I was paying attention.
     
  13. Well, here we go.
    Thursday I picked-up a Gen 4 G23. Got to shoot it today.
    First of all let me say that I am truly impressed with the accuracy of this pistol.
    But, another Gen 4 that shot left for me.
    Once again, every one of my Gen 3's shoot POA. It was closer, less than an inch, tapped the sight a bit and now is on. However...
    At seven yards off a sand bag my FMJ rounds hit about 1 1/2 - 2 inches HIGH. Ran the target out to 25 yards and was about 6 inches high. Ran my carry ammo (165 gr. Ranger T's) and it was a little closer to the X, but not much...
    :dunno:
     
  14. With my new gen 4 G22 it was pretty much me shooting left, but it was the sights shooting high. I had to replace the rear sight with a 6.1mm, and started placing the pad of my finger close to the joint instead of using the center of my pad. After doing that I had to tap the rear sight back to almost center, and I'm hitting center now.

    I believe because of the rounded trigger, I was rocking to the left when squeezing the trigger with the center of my finger pad, and by moving it closer to my joint resulted in a straighter pull rearward.

    Everybody's anatomy is different, and what works for others, may not work for some.
     
  15. Good day, I keep seeing all these posts on GEN 4 model Glocks shooting high and to the left. WELL **** no kidding I have two Glock 17 Gen'4 and EVERYONE shoots the thing high and to the left 10yrd, 15, yrds almost off the target and 20 yrds forget it , 2 /10 rounds will hit.

    OK, Its not me as I pick up a SIG 226 9mm and ALL Grouped tight and in center right down the line. Use a Sig 226 .22LR all same. Used a S&W M&P 9mm and great so GLOCK YOU Pile of CRAP Do a freakin recall of GIVE FREE UPGRADES and pay for adjustable sights ....such BS. Been shooting 28 years military so No need here to have these issues, tooooo Many folks having same freakin consistent LEFT of center / tight groups though.
     
  16. picker

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    New Glock owner here, and my G4 19 shot left but the more I shoot it the more centered it became, slowly but surely that lil ugly Glock proved he is much more accurate than I am @ 50yds. And I really didn't adjust my shooting and still shoot with too much finger just slow way down and take it very easy get very familiar with your Glock, it will shoot or if you are in a hurry bump it right a tad and forget it.
    Best/joe
     
  17. Thanks Joe, been shooting most of my life. Small hands, Pinch Grip, tip of finger, Breath out Hold Squeeze................POP Surprize No Anticipation of the shot and ALL LEFT. My sons all the same and other shooters. BENCH REST SHOT SAME. Dang Sights . Not shooter. Needs OUT-BOX Adj Sights so not to have issue. A well no biggy just frustrating as hell.
     
  18. everytime I go to the range with my 26 my first few shots are left, then they become POA / POI.....obviously this tells me its not the gun, its me, as things tighten up after the initial shots
     
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  19. Ryobi

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    I almost peed myself. Gen. 4's shoot where you aim them. Same as gen 3/2.
     
  20. picker

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    I bet it is I was thinking about going the adjustable site route myself, and was shopping but slowly me and the Glock got used to each other.
    Good thing too because I still haven't seen an adjustable site I like, I know there are some out there I just couldn't find one the Glock adjustable sites, and Im not sure about this but read that they hang over the Dove tail on both sides, nope not me damn Glock is ugly enough[smile] without helping it get uglier, but Damn can they shoot.
    I was shopping for some powder not long ago @ my LGS and I gotta browse the show cases right ?
    Well there is this lil ugly 19 staring at me, I told the store clerk "Hey lemme see that lil ugly thing I wanna see what these Glock lovers see in something like this, he hands me the 19 and I instantly knew.[smile] Now back on topic with what you are saying it looks like adj. sites just might be the answer for you.
    Best/joe
     

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