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Gen4(and Gen3) sub-compact owners, old guide rod or new?

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by voyager4520, Mar 16, 2012.

  1. voyager4520

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    Does your Gen4 sub-compact have the old guide rod, or the new one? I should also say, owners of recent test-fire dated Gen3 sub-compacts, does yours have the old or new guide rod?

    Also, for those who have the new version, are there any numbers on the metal base of the guide rod as there are with the larger Gen4 guide rods? And does the new version have a metal cap at the muzzle end to capture the muzzle end of the larger spring like the larger Gen4 guide rods do?

    I was watching a YouTube video that shows a Gen4 G26, and when the author of the video showed the guide rod, it looks like the larger Gen4 guide rods, the outer metal sleeve which holds the larger spring is made of a formed piece of sheet steel, you can see the inner spring through the holes in the sides of the outer sleeve:
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    My Gen3 G27 has a guide rod with a solid tube piece of metal for the outer sleeve, there are no holes in the outer sleeve to see the smaller inner spring through.

    Better pictures of the Gen4 outer sleeve, and on the left you can see the metal cap at the muzzle end on the newest guide rods for full size and compact Gen4's:
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  2. fuzzy03cls

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    I didn't think they ever changed them as the sub's did not have any spring changes. My 08 G27 looks the same.
     
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    voyager,

    I've just checked out my G33 Gen3, G26 & G27 Gen4s, and all of them have unmarked RSAs with black plastic inside all of them.
     
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    I just picked up a Gen3 G27 test fired 2/16/12. It looks identical to the guide rod in my 5 year old G30 and my 4 year old G26. No difference that I can see.

    Come to think of it though, I bought a Gen4 G27 not long after they were released and the guide rod still looked the same as the rest. (plastic inside the larger spring, with no cutouts and also no metal calp at the muzzle side)
     
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    The latest recoil springs for the G26/G27 all have the stainless inner sleeve with the two cutouts instead of the blued sleeve. It appears that the design changed with the introduction of the GEN4 subcompacts. The full size and compact GEN4 recoil springs are the same design, and GLOCK may be standardizing the production process amongst the various models. Unlike the full-size and compact GEN3/4, the subcompacts have the same recoil spring between GEN3 and GEN4. Hope that helps.
     
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    Top recoil assembly is from my Gen3 G27. Lower one is newer replacement part.
     

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    Interesting, it appears they lengthened the muzzle cap and bevelled the inside of the muzzle cap like on the newest Gen4 guide rods.

    This post, the bottom two pictures, shows an early Gen4 guide rod without the bevelled muzzle cap, and the latest version that has the bevelled muzzle cap:
    http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17937984&postcount=68

    I wish they would've added the metal ring to keep the larger spring captured so it wouldn't go over the plastic muzzle cap.
     
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    Ya, i just looked at my G27 guide rods. My gen3 guide rod does not have the bevel and the gen4 is beveled.
     
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    Are there any numbers on the metal base of the new guide rod, like the Gen4 guide rods have?

    Here's an example of the numbers on the base of a Gen4 guide rod: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1287182

    Glock's latest parts list doesn't mention any numbers, only that the newest version is "silver".
     
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    I just bought my wife Gen 4 g26 that glock says was made the 2nd of February. It was test fired the 3rd of February, and we picked it up on the 13th of Feb. It has the old style spring. No cutouts.
     
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    Yes numbers on the new and not the old. Here is the new one.
     

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    From my G26: test fired 2/3/12

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    It looks like the new sub guide rods followed the Gen4 guide rod numbers.

    0-1-4: 22/31/35/37
    0-2-4: 17/34
    0-3-3: 23/32
    0-4-3: 19
    0-5-2: 17T
    0-7-2: 21
    0-8: Gen3/4 G26/27/28/33/39

    I wonder what happened to 0-6? :dunno:
     
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    Problems with my gen4 guide rod. Three light strikes in 50 rounds. Strike was light and off center of primer. I discovered the new guide rod was intermittently not allowing the slide to fully lock into battery. I put back in my gen3 guide rod (which is bent) and shot 200 rounds malfunction free.
     
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    This is what I was told by my Glock armorer dist mgr.

    One spring (new gen 4 style) that will fit and suppose to run all the sub-compacts new or old.

    I just bought a Gen 3 G27 (test fired 05/2012) with an "0-8" spring. I havn't shot it yet still in my waiting period.
     
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    With all of the problems I've heard about these new versions, even as few as they may be, I'm glad I got a spare of the old version while they were still being made.

    Maybe aftermarket RSA's are finally good for something other than changing spring weights.