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G19s in the USAF

Discussion in 'The US Air Force Forum' started by Seven High, Aug 5, 2007.

  1. Seven High

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    I noticed in the latest Glock catalogue that the Glock 19 has been issued/used by the USAF. Does anyone have any information as to which units have been using them?
     
  2. meeko

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    The USAF does not issue the Glock 19. The only "authorized/issued" pistols are the Beretta M9 and the SIG P228. the SIG is for Office of Special Investigation OSI similar to ARMY CID. There might be a couple S&W model 15 revolvers locked deep inside a base gun vault somewhere but they only issue the M9 and SIG. I just retired after 21 years as a Security forces troop and also was a combat arms instructor. So I'd bet money it was a misprint or that author did not check the facts. I'm not saying some personal Glocks never made it over somewhere but if so the number could probably be counted on one hand.
     


  3. eodcole

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    I'm calling BS on the last post. Now I do not know what unit it was but a fellow EOD co-worker was carrying a Glock(19?) on his last deployment to Iraq. He has left over mags from when he was issued his loadout. Also I'm sure some of the spec ops dudes have a little more freedom to pick what they carry as a unit instead of a M9. I know if we as EOD could choose (give me a G21!) we would but just to make CATM happy we'd come and qual on M9s just like the rest of the folk.
     
  4. meeko

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    Whatever happened to respectfully disagreeing there eodcole!! Unless the EOD guy obtained a Glock from say the Iraqi police (the Iraqi's tend to sell their handguns sometimes). I'm telling you the USAF DOES NOT ISSUE the Glock not even to the AF combat controllers/TAFCP or para rescue. Now if they are attached to an Army unit like TACP guys they could get who knows what. However the only two authorized/issue pistols are the M9 and the SIG. He was in a combat area and sometimes troops do pick items up. If I was running anything I wouldn't care what my troops carried/obtained as long as they could use it and the ammo was compatible.
     
  5. Seven High

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    From page 13 of the latest Glock catalogue. Last sentence:" For instance, many of the elite pilots of the USAF trust the Glock 19 for their efficient defense in emergency situations." Does anyone have first hand knowledge which units are using Glocks?
     
  6. meeko

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    If any pilots in the USAF were issued Glocks the Combat Arms Training and Maint (CATM) folks (I just retired days ago and was assigned CATM duties)would be the ones that trained and qualified the pilots. CATM has the tech orders and specs of all weapons in the AF inventory no matter what base you are at or if that particular weapon is there. example not all AF bases have M2 50 cal's or MK 19 automatic grenade launcher but they do have the tech orders because you could be deployed where the M2 or MK 19 are etc. The AF does not do anything without tech orders and they do not have any tech orders for Glocks.

    So I'm saying it's a misprint. Just like the newest issue of guns and Ammo I recieved in the mail today. has an article about the M&P 45 the only problem with the article is the picture in the article of Bart Skelton shooting a SIG.
     
  7. eodcole

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    He didn't just pick it up. He was issued the weapon. I don't know who exactly issued it however. I'll take your word on it I guess that the USAF doesn't issue glocks. I personally wouldn't have believed it anyhow. Well more than half the force scare me with a weapon in their hand. I think the reason everyong wears body armor at CATM is not for training, but for safety:shocked: .
     
  8. meeko

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    True story

    I was deployed to Qatar in 02. I was a fire team leader and we came into the chow hall to eat. We would have a weapons rack by our table (SOP). There were a bunch of other airman (support admin whatever types) that actually said "what are those guns doing here). I thought delevering bombs on Afganistan and someone actually said that. then we went around with the base safty. someone was "concerned/worred" because the 203 gunner carred a can with 18 high explosive grenades. The thought these grenades were going to jump up in and go bang bythemselves while we were eating. we ended up having to drop the grenades off more than 300 yards away at a checkpiont. They just took a 1/4 effectiveness if something was to kick off while we were there the 203 gunner was just a rifleman. Thats the god ol Air force. They are great on computers but no real normal understanding. glad i'm retired.
     
  9. MrMurphy

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    Yup.


    I think the G19-in-the-Air-Force thing came from the Gulf War.

    Rules were apparently more lax back then, and I've heard (reliably) a squadron bought G19s for all it's pilots, and since they all had them, all of them fired and qualified, they were allowed to do so. After a while I think they made them switch back to M9s, but for a while at least, a squadron of pilots was indeed carrying G19s (either all bought individually at the same time or with squadron funds).

    I know one master sergeant personally who's about to retire, who was an armed courier for classified info etc during the Gulf War. This was during the .45-to-9 switch timeperiod and he was basically allowed to choose either. He asked if he could use his own .45 (customized Commander) and since he had been qual'd on the 1911 for some time, they said bring it in and shoot it, and you're good. So he did and took it with him (authorized and signed off) for his duties over there.

    The question came up because we were talking about deployments and he said "do they still let you do that" and I said "hell no, though we wish!".
     
  10. It was in the Guns and Ammo issue regarding the small arms used in the first Gulf War. There was a little article there to the effect that the pilots of a certain USAF squadron, with the approval of their CO, pooled together some funds and bought a batch of G19s. The G19 was touted as being able to fire underwater, thus very useful for a pilot who had to eject over the ocean.:)
     
  11. meeko

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    Sounds like another urban legend. A B52 crew from my base went down off Diego Garcia after a boming run. 3 out of 6 did not make it. The last thing they were worried about was if thier handguns worked underwater!
     
  12. RF7126

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    I don't know, if I was stuck in the ocean, I'd be thinking "Jaws". ;)
     
  13. OfficerLow

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    About 3 or 4 years ago, I was at John Shaw's Mid-South Institute of Self Defense Shooting in Lake Cormorant, MS and ran across an Air Force ParaJumper. He had a Glock 19 and I asked him if it was a personal weapon. He said it was issued.

    I posted this another time someone asked about the Air Force issuing Glocks and someone called BS. Apparently there are a few people who don't want to believe it. Oh well.
     
  14. BrokenArrow

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    The first Gulf War (91) was 6 yrs after the switch from the M1911A1 to M9 (85).

    Stuff happens. I was in a USAF special duty assignment that issued M1911A1s, sometimes carried round in chamber, cocked n locked, concealed, from 84 - 88.

    From time to time market surveys and T&Es are run on stuff and given to special folks to play w; could be some of that goin' on.

    The Army's new AWG (Asymmetrical Warfare Group) bought G19s recently, so Glock's foot is in the door and they are in the system.
     
  15. DMF

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    Here's the real deal. Aircrew sometimes get the M9, or maybe the M9, but if that doesn't suit them they might also get the M9. I flew for several years, had friends flying with all the commands on a variety of aircraft, and none of the pilots, navs, etc, ever qualified on any handgun other than the M9. OSI, and a few other special duty folks get the M11 (aka SIG P228).

    Claims of aircrew being issued the G19 are utter and total BS.
     
  16. isp2605

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    During GW1 one of our F-16 pilots had an AD in the briefing room as we were set to deploy. He was carrying a Glock 19. I was SF cmdr at the time which those in the USAF know also includes CATM. The squadron commander came to me and wanted us to issue him a Glock 19 too. I told him we didn't have Glock 19s and didn't issue Glock 19s. He said the pilot who had the AD had reported that the Glock 19 he was carrying was issued to him by CATM. Ain't no way. Didn't have them, didn't issue them, he didn't get it from us. Turned out it was his personal G19 which after the AD he told his boss it was issued thinking it would keep him out of trouble. Unless someone checks or actually knows a person could say anything is issued to them. Just because they say it's issued doesn't mean that it was.
     
  17. coastalcop

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    I sold a S&W 686 with night sights and magnaport to a pilot being deployd during desert 1, said he wanted something with more umph than the mod 10 he was likely to get. He didnt seem to think it was a big deal.

    but remember... to err is human... to forgive is not SAC policy.
     
  18. use2b6L32

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    I carried a G-21 to Iraq (and other places) as an aircrew guy.

    But it wasn't issued and it wasn't authorized.
     
  19. srfl

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    Do you recall which Rescue or STS this PJ came from? I was in an ANG Rescue group/wing for 11 years and never saw a Glock in use by anyone....but then again, I left that unit for the AFRES four years ago.
     
  20. Rob96

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    There are units within the SPEC OPS community that are using the G19. That PJ may be assigned to one of them.