I wore my G17 at 11 o'clock under my belt and pants. I was wearing a pair of shorts. I stood up at church, and the gun fell out of my belted location, and I had to grab the gun through my shorts fabric to keep the gun from falling on the floor. It was never exposed. I went home and immediately put the rubber grip back on. The G17 now stays in place securely. Whew! Wanna kill these ads? We can help!