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Future bullets

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by packinaglock, Jun 17, 2010.

  1. packinaglock

    packinaglock John 3:16

    May 1, 2007
    Loxahatchee Fl
    How do you invision future bullet designs? material, shape, any other special features? :dunno:
  2. JW1178


    Jul 17, 2009
    I don't know but it's an interesting concept. The problem is that there aren't many substances that have the density and pliability (ply-ability) as lead. Materials that are denser/heavier than lead are a whole lot harder. Copper is soft, but durable. I think there will be processes that better bond the copper and lead, and I think the properties might be altered some, but for the most part, the game will remain the same. All copper bullets seem to be catching on. The only thing I could imagine is maybe a mechaical framework inside the bullet to enhance it's durability while aiding in expansion.

    Hopefully in the future people will see the light from the 10mm and the world will be a much brighter place, unless you get hit by one, then you're in a world of hurt. :D

  3. packinaglock

    packinaglock John 3:16

    May 1, 2007
    Loxahatchee Fl
    All copper seems to be working very well, look how much things have changed in the last twenty years. It is hard to believe we have reached the pinnacle of bullet design.
  4. 481


    Feb 20, 2009
    Perhaps sabotted, 'sub-caliber' (.22 in 9mm, .30 in .40/10mm, 9mm in .45ACP) bullets made of titanium at velocities in excess of Mach 2.

    Lower density materials (like polymers, aluminum, tin, zinc or bronze) could also be employed in this concept which would produce reduced penetration characteristcs in that design.
  5. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson

    Jul 10, 2001
    Materials: The anti-lead movement will bring us more and more alternate materials. Copper is not bad. There are tin-cored jacketed bullets. There has been work done with zinc in the past and I look for it to show up more because it is cheaper.
    Lower density means higher velocity, bullet construction, gun action balance, and advertising will have to take that into consideration.

    Bismuth works in shotguns, maybe in bullets. Tungsten is very expensive and is part of the definition of an armor piercing handgun bullet, so not available.

    Shape: Not much to work with here unless you propose a new caliber and guns made to run with it. Feeding in autos and other repeaters is dependent on bullet shape, so ammo for current models will look much the same.

    Other: Lots of advertising.
  6. Where are those atomic bullets, lasers, blasters and disintegrators we were supposed to have in the future? :dunno: I feel cheated, it was almost not worth it to grow up.:crying:
  7. voyager4520

    voyager4520 -----

    Apr 25, 2009
    SE Colorado
    Incendiary. For those really big bears.

    I actually have an idea for an alternative to hollow points, similar to EFMJ, but it's really just a pipe dream at this point.
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2010
  8. packinaglock

    packinaglock John 3:16

    May 1, 2007
    Loxahatchee Fl
    How about nuclear tipped, take out a grisly with a .22 :supergrin:
  9. 481


    Feb 20, 2009
    Heh. :whistling:

    According to the equation for the complete conversion of mass into energy, E = mc<SUP>2</SUP>, a .22LR 40 gr. LRN bullet oughtta be good for a nuclear yield of 27.839 KT (about twice Hiroshima)

    Sounds about right to me. :cool:
  10. Lotiki

    Lotiki All that is man

    Feb 13, 2007
    Aurora, Co

    And all you need to do is accelerate that bullet to the speed of light.

    200 pounds equals 1,400,000 gr.

    1,400,000 divided by the bullet weight (40) is 35,000

    C(speed of light) divided by 35,000 is about 8500 give or take

    Quick math says that a 200 pound man shooting a handheld weapon would be flung backwards at about 8500 miles per second from the recoil....

    "Watch it son, she kicks like gods mule!"
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2010
  11. 481


    Feb 20, 2009

    Yep. Pretty much.

    Actually, to do this correctly you'll need to calculate the relativistic mass (MR) of the 40 gr. bullet (as objects approach 'Co' they "become" heavier) relative to our frame of reference according to the laws of special relativity.

    Once you do that, the math is the same M1V1 = M2V2 relationship that we all have come to know and love. :cool:

    Since nothing can actually travel at the speed of light (since its mass would actually become infinite) we can do this by using a velocity of 0.9999c (186,263.77 miles per second).

    MR = Mo /[1-(u<SUP>2</SUP>/c<SUP>2</SUP>)]<SUP>1/2 </SUP>+ Mo

    MR = 40 gr. /[1-(0.9999<SUP>2</SUP>/c<SUP>2</SUP>)]<SUP>1/2 </SUP>+ 40

    MR = 40 gr. /[0.00019999]<SUP>1/2 </SUP>+ 40

    MR = (40 gr. / 0.014141782) + 40
    MR = 2868.497 gr. = 0.409785 pounds

    such that our guy "recoils" at-

    MBullet x VBullet / Mpoor sucker = Vpoor sucker

    [0.409785 pounds x 0.9999c] ÷ 200 pounds = V

    V = 0.00204872c

    or about 2,015,060 fps ( which is ~381.64 miles per second)

    Of course, this sucks for our guy holding the gun since he vaporizes immediately upon recoil from the intense heat generated by the atmospheric friction upon his body (assuming that he can hold onto the gun to begin with) if he isn't shattered/crushed first by the gun's fiercesome recoil impulse. :shocked:
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2010
  12. Can you imagine a nucular nookilar atomic 10mm round? :shocked:
  13. 481


    Feb 20, 2009
    Now, that is funny!
  14. mitchshrader

    mitchshrader Deceased

    Jun 14, 2005
    laser cut with deep narrow hollowpoint, cut to unfurl like an umbrella, 'black talon on steroids' 60 grain pure copper,.25 caliber in a necked down 9mm. 2000 fps 6" barrel. Magnum pressures. 20 round mags.
  15. hackinpeat


    May 21, 2010
    how about H&K's programmable rounds that can explode at any given point in their travel? Those are pretty darn high tech.

    I see more "green" bullet tech coming, and more expensive and hard to get ammo.
  16. 481


    Feb 20, 2009
    Sounds like fun.

    You forgot "poison-tipped". :supergrin:
  17. BurkGlocker

    BurkGlocker Texas Redneck

    Feb 25, 2010
    Burkburnett, TX

    I think it would look something like this...