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Fusion or STI?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by venenoindy, Dec 5, 2009.

  1. venenoindy

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    Im currently looking to get a target (range) 1911 in 9mm, while I know there is lots of options out there it is the STI Trojan and the Fusion Scout that Im looking at. from what I see they are very similar but not the same, they seem to be only a couple of hundreds apart but don't know much about either so any help that you can give me to know witch would be a better choice would be great.
     
  2. venenoindy

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    I forgot to ask does fusion accept credit cards?
     


  3. ranburr1

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    Don't know about the credit cards. But, you might as well buy whichever is cheapest. STI and Fusion are pretty much one in the same. Fusion gets their parts from STI.
     
  4. bac1023

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    This isn't a full custom shop, specializing in building one masterpiece at a time. Fusion is more or less a production grade 1911 that can be customized to the buyer's specs within reason. They better accept cards.

    In fact, I bought my Fusion with a card over the phone directly from Bob Serva.













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  5. HAIL CAESAR

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    :upeyes:

    Again with this...

    You can call and tell Bob Serva that you want STI triggers, and hammers, and a grip safety, STI barrel, and every other part...

    Or

    You can tell Bob to use a EB grip safety, EGW slide stop, C&S hammer and sear, Harrison trigger, Kart barrel, S&A magwell, and whatever other parts you have in mind. You want the mainspring housing rounded..order it. You want the muzzle crowned...order it. You want the top of the slide serrated..order it. You want checkering, 20, 25, 30 LPI...order it that way. You want Chainlink...order it that want. You want a steel frame, aluminum frame, ramped or unramped barrel..order it that way. You want a 2 barrel set up with 9mm/38 Super..order it. You want Heine sights, Novak, green front, yellow front, green front yellow rear, two dot rear, bar rear, fixed, adjustable... order it that way. You want stainless, steel with blueing/ceramic coat/ or Ion bond...order it that way.

    Are you starting to get a point????

    You build the gun the way you want it, with the parts you want. Fusion has a website with "models" of guns they sell because you have to have somewhere to start with. If you want something else just you don't see call Bob and work it out with him. Try doing that with STI, Kimber, or any other regular 1911 production factory. The only other ones that will do that is Springfield Armory, but they will transfer you to the Custom Shop ( Springfield has a real Custom Shop that make truly great custom guns). And sometimes Dan Wesson will tweak something to your needs.

    Yes, Fusion takes CC. Half of build cost due at order, rest at completion.
     
  6. Remington700VS

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    Fusions are nice. Given a choice, I'd pick the STI everythime :wavey:
     
  7. bac1023

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    Very true. Bob will use the parts you want, more or less.

    Caesar, judging from your post, you seem to be a big fan of Fusion.

    I like them as well. However, they are creeping up in price.
     
  8. bac1023

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    It really depends on the STI.

    They have 1911s with a forged frame and slide, they have 1911s with cast frames, and they have Filipino built 1911s.

    All are good, in my opinion, but they don't all compare favorably to Fusion.

    I love the Legacy, but sadly, it was discontinued. Mine has the optional PVD ionbond finish.


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    The Trojan is also great, but I'm not sure its quite as nice as Fusion's stuff.


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  9. HAIL CAESAR

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    What's "more or less"? If you meant that he will not use RIA parts, then yes I understand.

    Maybe not their biggest fan, but I at least respect and realize what they do and what they are. To say you might as well buy a STI because Fusion uses STI is simplistic.


    Their price along with everyone's prices are creeping up. You can thank the "Anointed Leader" Obamination for devalue our dollar for that. Gun prices are going up across the bar.

    Actually I am getting a little irritated at Fusion right now. The Fusion I ordered with a 16 week time frame is now over 30. I will probably get my Springfield Custom before I get the Fusion and I ordered the Springfield after the Fusion.
     
  10. bac1023

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    Exactly what I meant. There are some limitations.
     
  11. bac1023

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    I bought mine when it was already finished, so no waiting. Bob had a few on Gunbroker at the time and I called and spoke to him about it before purchasing it. Its the Custom Elite Commander and a very good shooter.


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    Did you order one of Springfield Custom's standard models, or spec it out yourself?
     
  12. ranburr1

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    All of that may be true. But, his standard parts are STI. This includes the heart of the gun; slide, frame, and barrel.
     
  13. HAIL CAESAR

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    Serva posted pics awhile back of frame and slides being made on CNC machines. So I doubt at least all his frames and slides are STI as they appear to be making some themselves. Maybe he does use some STI frames, but what knowledge of this do you have?

    I will email Mr. Serva and ask the question Monday morning about who makes their frames and slides.

    Not that it would matter much, Wilson used to use Kimber slide and frames, there are Custom shops charging thousands for Caspian slide and frames. So by your logic a Wilson should have cost no more than a Kimber???

    As long as the base frame and slides are in spec and of good quality and the good parts put into them are done by a good smith with skill.........then what is the problem?
     
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  14. I've got a 9mm STI Trojan... couldn't ask for a nicer shooting gun....:supergrin:
     
  15. bac1023

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    He told me that mine was not an STI frame when I questioned him before buying it. He said it was 100% Fusion, though I don't believe they make their own frames. Either way, they aren't all STI.
     
  16. HAIL CAESAR

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    Posted by Robert Serva, showing Fusion "making" their own frames.:wavey:
     
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  17. HAIL CAESAR

    HAIL CAESAR Senior Member

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    Back to the OP and to get away from Fusion Arms misinformation;

    STI guns are very good guns. There 9mm are no exception.

    They know how to make a good 1911 that works out of the box. That alone puts them apart from a lot of 1911 manufacturers, especially with 9mm's.
     
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  18. bac1023

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    Cool.

    I guess when he said mine was 100% Fusion, he wasn't kidding. :supergrin:
     
  19. remat

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    From Bob Serva from another forum:
    "As for our frames and Slides, We have both cast and Forged. The are made to our Spec's at our vendors in TX or Mass. and we finish them here in upstate NY."

    (source: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=190553)

    I really liked this pic:
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