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fullauto glocking

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by jimbullet, Jun 2, 2006.

  1. Just wanted to find out has anyone experienced glocks at full auto? Im just interested if the shots are controllable - meaning are shots hitting the targets?
     
  2. tried a fullauto glock 17... out of 15 rounds fired fullauto at a 7yard target, only half of the bullets hit the target. The bullet holes were lined up vertically...
     


  3. deenoh

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    Very hard to control and I've been told that the splits between a double tap and a burst from a full auto are almost the same.
     
  4. Out of curiousity though, taking a poll, would you guys rather have the option for your glocks to go auto for self defense or do you think such feature serves no purpose at all except to waste bullets?
     
  5. sundancekid

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    i'll come to the most relevant question to this thread......

    can someone convert a glock to fire full auto? :rock: :dancingbanana: :mememe:
     
  6. But seriously, if you guys could own the G17C...that could do full auto, would you rather have one? Or is it so uncontrollable that it defeats whatever purpose it had and simply a waste of bullets
     
  7. horge

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    Just a note:

    It's been brought up before by Eric, our GT Administrator...
    Conversion of Glocks to auto is a delicate subject in this forum.
    Bottom line is that no discussion promoting or facilitating illegal
    behavior is allowed on GT. Since Band of Glockers forum welcomes
    US participants, we have to be careful with R.P. and U.S. gun laws.

    Commenting on the shootability of full-auto pistols is fairly neutral
    stuff, but discussing the how-to of full-auto conversions or even
    posting the sources for conversion kits crosses the line into actual
    promotion and facilitation of illegal activity.

    Have a nice day!
    :)
     
  8. Kiddo

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    If yung ka enkwentro mo are regular street gang bangers or burglars, then hearing a full auto burst would scare the crap out of them and they would probably get out of the area fast! On the other hand if they were pros, they'll probably just wait for you to reload. I don't think there are a lot of pros here in the Phils. though. Either way, its fun shooting at the range! Hehe. ;)
     
  9. Allegra

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    IF it as legal and if I had a 17c, I'd put one in
    But it's not, and I dont , so I wont
     
  10. For me, spray and pray is not ideal for pistols. Bcoz it is hard to control, marami madadamay when the "time" comes. Full-auto is best reserved to carbines.my 2 cents mga bro! :cool:
     
  11. 9MX

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    +1 its legal here in the philippines but illegal in the USA,hence the sensitivity. unless you wanna meet a troll that talks to the hand:alien: and have this thread locked.

    anyway, glocks with fssgare fun to shoot at the range, its like having a poor man's uzi. unless you're prepared to waste moolah on ammo to work on accuracy.....

    imho, just put the money on practice ammo, join us at the matches:beer: eyecutter, gundog, taurus, batangueno, and mcoliver will be at armscor marikina tomorrow to practice starting at 10am.
     
  12. Allegra

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    di naman spray and pray ang FA glock
    skilled mp shooters can fire short bursts at a target and have it all in the a-zone
    One of the pioneer shooters here sa range namin can empty a whole 33rnd mag FA in the A zone w/ one hand ( he's around 60+ yrs old )

    Just dont know kung may advantage kasi our pistol times are the same sa multiple targets as w/ his FA G17
     
  13. deenoh

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    9mx, as far as I know coverting a semi auto Glock to full auto is not legal for civilians here in the Philippines. After the conversion it will be considered as a machine pistol and machine pistols are not allowed for civilians.
     
  14. mc_oliver

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    It's still all about skill level. If you can barely keep your shots on paper with a .30sec split, forget about hitting your target with "full auto" splits.

    One thing I noted with full auto pistols is that it helps you learn to keep your eyes open when it's firing and buckling in your hand. For a newbie, that's a good learning experience, that is, if you don't get trapped in it's "fun & cool" factor. ;)
     
  15. horge

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    deenoh,

    Actually, there is no Philippine law I know of that addresses such
    modification of pistols.

    Clearly, if a new receiver or barrel is obtained, that is tantamount
    to owning a separate firearm and major retailers act accordingly:
    SGAC and Armscor/Squires will tell you to register any new barrel or
    frame with FED. That's about it. Tinkering doesn't seem to be an issue.

    What about ownership of full-auto pistols and guns?
    E.O. 194 (2000) hasn't been repealed, so it isn't that it is illegal
    to own select-fire firearms, but that it is procedurally difficult
    to maintain properly-documented ownership.


    [/rant mode on]

    There is a disconnect between the law and application thereof:

    FED chooses to ignore E.O. 194 insofar as providing licensing service
    (which is essentially FED's raison d'etre!) is concerned.

    FED procedures are based on the repealed/defunct/obsolete, Marcos-era
    G.O. 7, 7A, 7B and 7C. FED guidelines and issuances have incomprehensibly
    continued to cite those discarded G.O.'s as their empowering or enabling
    legislation.

    Bottom line, AFAICT:

    1. The law openly allows a private individual to own a select fire
    firearm, but demands registration and up-to-date licensing.

    2. The law tasks FED with taking care of registration and licensing.

    3. FED doesn't want to register/license select fire firearms.
    (save perhaps on a case-to-case, pag-usapan natin nina Chief basis? :upeyes: )


    This gulf between the law and its actual application/enforcement
    by the assigned agencies is responsible for much confusion
    regarding firearms ownership.

    The thing is, I don't know if we should demand legal clarity,
    and conformity between the law and its enforcing agencies' actions.
    Baka kapag kinalikot 'yan ng both Houses of Congress, we'll
    wind up with even more-restrictive (and even more-confused) gun laws.

    Our legislators' track record has been abjectly miserable thus far.
    Iyang "Revilla Law" pa lamang (Republic Act No. 8294, of 1997), e...
    sasakit ang ulo mo sa dami ng mga grammatical and logical lapses.
    :freak:

    [/rant mode off]



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  16. Guys, Im not promoting anything illegal here as my basic question is simply if you could own a glock, which has full auto capability (assuming)is it really worth the extra bucks? I heard several people saying its uncontrollable and yet I came across a video from the US, where it shows the g17 doing burst fire with all hits inside the paper target at 7 to 10 meters....Well, it just got me thinking and wanted to here what the other BOGs think about the full auto feature.

    My apologies if I may have "miss - worded" my posts on this topic.
     
  17. 9MX

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    +1 ulit. in the shooting magazine that came with our 2006 PPSA ID, Congressman Jack Enrile (One of the PPSA founders, and IPSC Regional Director) mentioned something about lobbying for a law that would forbid full auto modifications (or something to that effect) on pistols as this is against sports shooting.
     
  18. horge

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    jimbullet,

    Don't apologize! :)
    I floated the warning to pre-empt anything questionable,
    in effect, BEFORE anything questionable had been posted.
    No harm, no foul.

    :)
    h.




    Mannix,

    Has the PPSA has become "anti", then?
    By lobbying for a restriction on something merely
    because it doesn't hew close to the spirit of a GAME,
    Enrile would prejudice non-gaming firearm owners.

    Some of us do own guns, but don't race them.
    That describes most firearm owners, actually;
    who cannot afford to play your fine game,
    or else find it uninteresting.

    If Enrile had cited public safety, that might have been something.
    Heck, I MIGHT agree, as a full-auto pistol seems silly.
    But the reason actually cited smacks of narrow-minded, rich boy elitism.
    God, I hope that article distorted the congressman's intentions.
    Otherwise, ...where's the puke icon when you need it?



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  19. Alexii

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    Just want to share my perspective on this.

    Bear in mind that we are ultimately responsible for every single bullet that leaves our gun muzzles, be it on the range or a self defense shoot. If you cannot employ full control of even just one shot in a full-auto burst, then I say use the full-auto burst feature of your handgun EXCLUSIVELY on an isolated range with a backstop broad, high, and thick enough ala Helm's Deep.

    Just my 2 cent's worth.