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Full length guide rods;Yes/No/Maybe?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by porschedog, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. porschedog

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    I've been shooting 1911s for a while but have just recently begun "Accesorizing" or, as my wife puts it "buying presents for my new toy"

    I just picked up a Colt Gold Cup and was semi-surprised to note it does not have a full length guide rod. I had added one to a SA Compact a few weeks earlier and it made an accurate gun into an uber accurate hole-punching machine.

    The Gold Cup is, as I discovered yesterday, quite impressive at the range. It made one ragged hole out of 15 rounds at 15 yards.


    So, while wondering what to add to the latest aqcuisition, I'm looking for feedback on full length guide rods. It's not a carry piece, but rather a range toy. I have a G30 & G36 for social situations.

    What say you? Yes? No? Maybe?

    And what about S/S barrel bushings? Any benefit beside good looks?

    Thanks in advance for your responses and your patience with my questions.
     
  2. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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    My Springfield Operator works great without the FLGR.

    :cool:
     


  3. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    I've tried them in the past, no benefit in accuracy. Does add a step
    or two to the field strip process. So, IMO, say no to FLGR
     
  4. I do not see any proof that they make a gun shoot any better or any worse.
    I prefer a G.I. style over the full length.
    If I had to have a full length it would be a two piece over the one piece rod.
     
  5. There's not a shred of evidence that it will make a gun shoot better. Added weight to the front may help to reduce muzzle flip, thus getting back on target faster. But that's doesn't mean it will help to produce tighter group, if shooting from a rest.
     
  6. BuckyP

    BuckyP Lifetime Member

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    Well, might as well get an opinion from the other side of the aisle. Just think of this, what modern gun today does NOT come with a full length guide rod?

    I personally prefer them. It makes the spring track better. It is very VERY subtle, but can be felt. As for field stripping, get one with a pin hole in it, like the STI, and with just a paper clip, it is actually EASIER to field strip.

    Most purists will disagree, but there is a reason they sell so many of them. YMMV.
     
  7. rkrk

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    Interesting thread as I am approaching this from the other side currently. My newly acquired TRP Operator (railed) has a FLGR with a pin hole that requires a tool to break down. I would not consider myself a purist but rather more of a pragmatist - I would prefer not to rely on a tool to field strip.

    The bull barrel on the TRP will not accommodate a barrel bushing so I don't have the simple option of just swapping out the parts to go to a GI setup.

    I am considering this http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=8000129E-1320694367

    I have not been able to find any bad press/experiences so far with this product.

    I am going to shoot the gun for a while and then decide. You can buy a lot of paper clips for $70...:upeyes:

     
  8. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    No paper clip or tool needed to break down the TRP Operator.
    Retract slide, remove slide stop, remove slide. Install is reverse of removal.
     
  9. porschedog

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    Thanks for the feedback
    The FLGR fronWilsons arrived today, but it is still in the bag
     
  10. Disregarded9-side

    Disregarded9-side Armchair IPSCer

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    Maybe.

    I have both set-ups for my Springfield. I bought the GI set-up because I HATE the tear-down with the FLGR. It's a serious PITA. I like handling the pistol with the GI set-up much more.

    After trying 100+ with the GI set-up, I experience much more stable and consistent slide return with the FLGR, smoother recoil. It's as if I can feel the slide bouncing on the rails a lot more without the FLGR; tighter guns may not have this issue. Felt/perceived muzzle flip is reduced, certainly because of the added weight up front but also I feel because of the (effective) 3rd rail on the gun. The consistency of action in theory, to me, could mean fewer malfunctions and better wear resistance.

    YMMV; others here with many more years of 1911 shooting may disagree, but I think it's nice to have both set-ups.
     
  11. keryou1960

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    My "Modern", Les Baer P11 with 1.5" @ 50 yrds. Came with a target that measured 1.300' 10 Shots @ 50 So I'm inclined to say a FLGR Is not needed. Actually has nothing to do with accuracy.
     
  12. rkrk

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    that works well until you want to clean the barrel, guide rod and slide properly - then you need a tool...

     
  13. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

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    I've seen full length guide rods make 1911's malfunction when they were perfectly reliable with standard USGI parts.

    I was at Gunsite a while back taking the API 250 course and there was a woman there who had a 1911 her husband set up for her and one of his improvements was a full length guide rod. It kept jamming. Ted Yost came up from the gunsmithy to fix it. He pulled the full length guide rod and installed a stock guide rod and plunger. The gun ran like a champ all day. Her husband came by at the end of the day (he was in another class) and threw a fit about taking the guide rod off the gun and put it back in. Sure enough the gun chokes on the first magazine. Regardless he wouldn't let her put it back to stock configuration and she had a miserable time with that gun.
     
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  14. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

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    If folks anything about how a 1911 locks up and goes into battery they would know the guide rod has NOTHING to do with accuracy.
     
  15. wdp

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    Had several from Wilson over the years, was never impressed but the cool factor made me think I did something right. I'm older and wiser now.
     
  16. countrygun

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    Well they are still making auto pistols with hooked trigger guards too.

    :whistling:

    :supergrin:
     
  17. bac1023

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  18. BuckyP

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    Not a functional part.

    Newer guns typically don't have them. (M&P, Caracal, FNS)

    Older design guns don't change them to maintain holster compatibility. Just ask Beretta fans how that worked out with the 90-Two. :tongueout:
     
  19. jg420

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    I hate having to use a tool to break down my TRP so I swapped the FLGR to a GI setup. No go for the guide rods for me
     
  20. Rally Vincent

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    I have at least two 1911's built for or by me every year.
    I have never included a FLGR in the build specs. It's a solution to a problem that does not exist.