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Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by isuzu, Apr 26, 2008.


  1. isuzu

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    Thanks for the link that is an awesome story
     

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    You're Welcome. :)
     
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    Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. :cool:
     
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    Amazing.
    There will be generations of grateful families.
     
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    as the cliche goes...walang personalan..trabaho lang
     
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    chivalry in its purest form!
     
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    an officer and a gentleman :)
     
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    Some would call it chivalry, some would call it treason - especially now that he lives in the homeland of one of his former enemies (Canada).
     
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    If you've read "On Killing" written by ....I forgot his name
    They had a study that sa infantry nung WW2, only 20 % fires his wepon directly at the enemy
    and only 2% of the soldiers did the actual killing

    W/c was probably what happened here
    Shooting that plane down was cold blooded murder
     
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    You are talking about a bomber crew that flies over the homeland of the German fighter pilot on a daily basis dropping bombs at both military and civilian targerts - killing men, women and children with equal efficiency. I wonder how many German citizens died because of his failure to destroy the American bomber. Do you think that bomber crew will drop less bombs or intentionally miss after they had a reprieve? I think not. Not that I have sympathies to the Axis powers, I am just looking at it from the perspective that failure to destroy the enemy today may cause the death of my children tomorrow.
     
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    It's probably a little different when your up there in the plane staring down your sights at the injured men than sitting in front of the computer typing at the keyboard

    But anyway , if he shot down that plane then there wouldnt be a great story
     
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    20-year veteran here. I have strong feelings against the enemies of the country that has always taken care of me and my family.

    I wonder if that story would be palatable to you if you found out that a Filipino fighter pilot had let a Japanese bomber limp back to Japan after bombing Manila. And then the said Filipino pilot migrated to Japan after the war. I call it treason, what do you call it?
     
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    I kinda figured in the aircarft carrier thread you were in the military :)

    Yes , it looks like treason if he immediately migrated after the war
    for all we know , he might have been thown in the brig for insubordination

    As for me , since I havent even seen a combat zone I admire men who can pull the trigger face to face
    But there were a lot of incidents like this during WW2
    Infantry men unable to fire their weapon even when being fired upon
     
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    i don't think it was an act of treason. i've heard of veterans and young recruits talk of "having all feelings of hostility, violence and the desire to destroy the enemy vanish after so many firefights , engagements and battles." under the uniform, they are still human beings capable of compassion and empathy. :wavey:
     
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    We've been conditioned by movies na parang si Rambo mga combatants
    Fascinating nga nung WW2 that only 20% fired sa enemy
    Of course , w/ superior training I think the percantage rose dramatically during Vietnam.
    Interestingly , tumaas din ang incidence ng post traumatic stress disorder
    PTSD caused by killing and not the fear of being killed??

    Kaya mag dry fire ng mag dryfire mga kaibigan :)
    muscle memory and conditioning ang pangontra sa hesitation
    basta ako , tatakbo nalang
     
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    I'm to lazy to read my book again but it's this - http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316330116
    Fascinating stuff
    whether the data he present are true , I dont know
    Maybe someone from westpoint can confirm
    But the authors research goes back to the american civil war
    when dead combatants had loaded weapons still unfired
    It also explains the desensitizing and conditioning techniques during vietnam to increase the firing rate of soldiers
    It's the same techniques w/c make our teenagers start shooting up schools
     
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    There was also a story which happened in Europe where US and German troops did not shoot each other whenever they met at a creek and shared the water.

    I've also spoken with some soldiers of the 78th IB when they were stationed in Negros Occidental, just after their assignment in Mindanao in the late '90s. When asked if they are willing to kill, their answer was "inasmuch as possible, we do not want to pull the trigger."

    The battalion commander of the SAF who were assigned in Negros in the mid '90's also gained the respect of the residents in Southern Negros.

    It was late afternoon when his sniper shot a rebel who was able to crawl away from them. When he knew of the incident, he immediately dispatched a team to track down the wounded rebel. They used NVGs and eventually located the rebel. He had the rebel sent to a private hospital in Bacolod to be treated for his wounds.

    A close friend of mine was ambushed (was it late 80's or early 90's?). Two of his guards shielded him and were dead. The rebels got into his Land Cruiser and saw the situation. The rebels knew that he was still alive, but they just took the firearms inside the vehicle and left. He told me that he could have been easily killed as well because he was already wounded.
     
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    OTOH , there's this 2% amongst us na psychopaths
    Yung very capable ng violence w/out provocation
    Madami naman ganyan , aggressive ang nature pero the difference is ang psycopath walang remorse sa ginawa niya

    I've had a conversation w/ a local poltical errr...warlord na nagpapaturo
    He said hindi siya gumagamit ng taong walang kunsyensya
    At the time , I couldnt believe may hitman palang may conscience :)