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Friend scared of cocked & locked...

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by nastytrigger, Jun 14, 2012.

  1. nastytrigger

    nastytrigger Mediocre Member

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    It's weird. Anytime this friend see's my 1911, he becomes weirded-out by my cocked and locked 1911. I've explained the design, the safeties, etc., numerous times.

    He's been wanting a 1911, but even more so, he's wanting a Sig P938 (nearly same manual of arms, minus grip safety). He has two Glock's and a Taurus .38Spc, so 1911's are a different design to him.

    He's afraid that the hammer will fall inadvertently, from what I gather. Says he'd feel more comfortable chambering a round, and then lowering the hammer (on that live round) for carry... Ugh.

    Is this an old revolver mind-set? What's so scary about cocked and locked?
     
  2. GLOCK17DB9

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    He just needs to get comfortable. I would suggest that he try carrying a cocked unloaded gun for a few days and test it out just to see that they just don't go off accidentally automatically!:dunno:
     


  3. esh325

    esh325

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    What's wrong with lowering the hammer on a live round for carry?
     
  4. PlasticGuy

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    Remind him that nearly every common rifle and shotgun works the same way, and so do other common handguns. He doesn't feel safe with a Remington 700 or Winchester model 70, a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500, or a Springfield XD pistol? They are all "cocked and locked". The only difference is that the striker is internal so you can't see it.
     
  5. esh325

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    You don't carry a shotgun in your holster though.
     
  6. bac1023

    bac1023

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    Why would you even want to?

    Cocked and locked is easier and much safer.
     
  7. esh325

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    It's not suitable for everybody. Cocked and locked is not in anyway safer than carrying it with the hammer down on a live round. Anyway to the OP, is your friend planning on carry his 1911? If not, then it doesn't really matter.
     
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  8. rickrope

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    Yes actually it is.
     
  9. esh325

    esh325

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    How is that?
     
  10. SauerChoi

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    you're wrong on this one. lowering a hammer on a live round, while it can be done safely, is dangerous. Also, the motion of click the safety off is a lot easier than trying to cock that hammer when you need to.
     
  11. Nakanokalronin

    Nakanokalronin JMB & MTK

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    It's really about associating a cocked revolver with a cocked 1911. some people get over it when they learn the mechanics of the pistol, some take that mind-set to their graves.

    The second gun I ever owned was a 1911 and I read the same old carry arguments about C'd & L'd. Well what I decided to do was carry the gun unloaded, hammer cocked and safety off. I banged that thing into all sorts of rails, stairways, chairs and whatever else I could think of. I then jogged around, jumped up and down, fell to the ground and anything else I could think of. I then took it out of the holster and threw it onto a hard carpeted surface, muzzle down, muzzle up, on both sides, spun it in the air and guess what.....the hammer never dropped! This was with a SA Milspec. Now if the hammer dosn't drop after all that with the hammer cocked and safety off, I think it's pretty safe with the safety on.

    As far as the thumb safety goes, it's always good to have that incase something gets caught in the trigger guard when you have a full grip, like a tab or strap on a holster. It's a remote possibility but it can happen and yes, I tested for that too.

    Yea, what I did sounds ridiculous but it put all of the misinformation out the window.
     
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  12. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Hammer down on a live cartridge is a disaster waiting to happen.
    I and many have confidence in condition 1 carry, I recommend it.

    Have your friend do this,.......carry with a full mag inserted, empty
    chamber, hammer back & safety on.

    This will allow him to build confidence in the weapon's safety, without
    the hazard of hammer down on a live chambered cartridge. As
    time progresses, he will be able to transition to condition 1
    with confidence.
     
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  13. esh325

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    Have you ever tried it? It's only dangerous if the person using it is incompetent. I practiced it over and over with my CZ75B and Beretta Cheetah, and it's not a big deal. If a person doesn't feel comfortable doing it, that's another story. Actually carrying it with the hammer down is perfectly safe.
     
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  14. PlasticGuy

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    Exactly. The 1911 has the addition of a grip safety, and it's secured in a holster. It's safer than carrying a loaded hunting rifle or shotgun.
     
  15. PlasticGuy

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    How do you get it fully loaded with the hammer down? You load the pistol, defeat all safety mechanisms, and then pull the trigger. If your thumb doesn't slip, great. If it does, you get a bang when you don't want one. That's unsafe.
     
  16. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Look in the mirror and read the above Brother! :whistling:
     
  17. esh325

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    Have you ever tried it before? There's different ways of doing it. One way is to put your thumb in between the hammer and frame and slowly ease the hammer up. I suppose I shouldn't have brought my experience with other pistols into the matter as a 1911 does not a hammer drop safety like a CZ75.
     
  18. esh325

    esh325

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    Why are you being personal about it? Because I'm disagreeing with you?
     
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  19. kirgi08

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