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Freedom of Religion

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Woofie, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. Woofie

    Woofie Disirregardless CLM

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  2. Roering

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    Nor should you. It is a blatant violation. Then again, I think that the HHS mandate is also a blatant violation.
     


  3. Cavalry Doc

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    If you're gonna do it for one, you have to do it for all. That's fair. I could see excluding one on a case by case basis if they start teaching violence as a legitimate way to subjugate others, but due process would be necessary.
     
  4. There is an inspirational painting of Gen. George Washington kneeling in the snow, praying to the Christian God. Our Founding Fathers had no problem with those who see Christianity as "the correct religion". And indeed, Christians did write the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and end slavery, along with building and staffing numerous schools and hospitals.

    OTOH, they would be astounded and dismayed if they could see how decadent we've become today, when we have people, with straight faces, defending as equal to Christianity, a 'religion' (actually a fascist form of government disguised as a religion) which okays;
    -pre-pubescent child rape (Koran 65:4)
    -sex slaves (Koran 4:24)
    -rape ("24:13)
    -amputation and crucifixion ("5:33)
    -theft and robbery (" entire chapter 8 called 'Booty')
    -extortion (" 9:29)
    -lying ("3:28, 5:51)
    -stoning to death for adultery (Sahil Muslim 17.4206), and never-ending jihad warfare, hatred and bloodshed.
     
  5. High-Gear

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    Wow, you speak for how the founding fathers would think?

    Would you only be happy if this nation were a christian theocracy?
     
  6. Woofie

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    Your evidence of the founding fathers believing christianity to be the correct religion is a painting of George Washington? Laughable.

    The Treaty of Tripoli; signed by President John Adams, and unanimously ratified by the Senate.

    Adams also said

    President Thomas Jefferson:

    President James Madison:

    Or perhaps Thomas Paine

    So do you have any paintings that show how we should discriminate against Muslims? or will you just tell me, once again, about 19000 deadly attacks?
     
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  7. steveksux

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    Amen!!! :tongueout::rofl::supergrin:

    Randy
     
  8. Guss

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    And I'm sure you're happy that we have a Christian President now who prays daily.
     
  9. Animal Mother

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    A painting created in 1975, not exactly a contemporary record of Washington's beliefs.
    Nor did they have a problem with those who did not see it as such.
    Christians also opposed all these things.
    And we reach the crazed rant portion of the post....
     
  10. G26S239

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    Christians also fought in the British ranks during the revolution, justified slavery, founded the CSA with the intent of maintaining slavery and spilled blood to maintain their right to have slaves.
    On a practical level modern Islam is a much bigger POS than modern Christianity is in terms of bombings, honor killings, mass murders etc. On a philosophical level both are variations of the Invisible Friend In The Sky archetype superstition.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" does prevent the government from favoring one religion over another. Is your reading comprehension is too limited to see that?
     
  11. NMG26

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    Tagged for this.
     
  12. So why was Rev. Franklin Graham disinvited to speak at the Pentagon National Prayer Day? Answer: because his comments were not supportive of Islam. But isn't this government favoring of Islam over Christianity? You bet it is.

    Antonio Peck, age 5, was asked to make a poster about saving the environment. His work was rejected by his (taxpayer-funded) kindergarten teacher, Susan Weichert, because it was too Christian -she infringed on his right to free expression of (Christian) religion.

    Anti-Christian bias is rife in today's decadent culture. Speaking against sin gets labelled "hate speech". Municipalities fine people whose homes house private Bible study. Our first Muslim president cancelled a Nat'l Day of Prayer at the WH in favor of celebrating Muslim Ramadan. And he endorsed the Ground Zero Mosque, where Muslims slaughtered thousands of innocent American civilians on 9/11. And he disrespected Israeli PM Netanyahu, but bowed to the Saudi Muslim king. Nonetheless, today's news says he has a 7-point lead over Romney.

    The prophet Ezekiel lived in a similarly decadent society that had fallen away from God. As God says in chapter 12:2, "Thou dwelleth in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not..." Today's total of deadly Muslim attacks just since 9/11 has risen to 19,210, but those which have eyes to see, yet see not, will fail to notice.

    A word to the wise; Ezekiel's decadent society came to a bad end. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
     
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  13. DrewF86

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    No one has a problem with the government supporting their agenda, regardless of what the laws of our country actually say. As has been said, the founding fathers were not Christians, and all of them spoke harshly against it.

    People like Snowbird crack me up. When you point out how our country isn't supposed to have an official religion, without skipping a beat they turn to "Waaaaah anti-christians why won't you just let us make our beliefs your laws regardless of what you believe? America is anti-christian!"
     
  14. High-Gear

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    They disinvited a person who is openly hostile to others. Hopefully they would disinvite Fred Phelps as well.

    Because it is taxpayer funded, it is not a place for a person to evangelize.
    Would you object if the teacher rejected a poster by a child who insisted Allah was the answer?

    Please cite a source

    Our first Muslim president cancelled a Nat'l Day of Prayer at the WH in favor of celebrating Muslim Ramadaan.[/QUOTE]
    Cite a source.

    The mosque is not a "Ground Zero" and they have the right to build where they wish...this is America.


    More ranting


    Just because people are not bowing down to your religion, does not mean you are being discriminated against. Christians have had a free pass for so long, you feel hurt by being put back into your place.
     
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  15. Cavalry Doc

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  16. Woofie

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    Everything High Gear just said, plus this.

    How can you seriously make this claim when the OP is about an existing state program intended to fund Christian schools with taxpayer money?
     
  17. High-Gear

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    I'm reminded of that every time I drive past a multi-million tax free church, or see "In God We Trust" on currency, or hear every politician mention God in his speech. Right, rife with anti-christian bias!