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Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Gunhaver, Jul 6, 2012.


  1. Gunhaver

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    the wrong hands

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  2. High-Gear

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    Well said sir!
     

  3. fowl intent

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  4. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    I am not seeing a problem with your OP.:supergrin: It sounds reasonable according to:

    1. The law of the land.
    2. The true principals of Christianity.
     
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    Easy to understand. Thank you.
     
  6. High-Gear

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    Then you would support removing "Under God" from the pledge and "in god we trust" from our our money?

    And I Guess you despise anyone using scripture as an argument to keep Gaye from marrying?
     
  7. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    James 5:12, "Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear—not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. All you need to say is a simple “Yes” or “No.” Otherwise you will be condemned." This is in regard to your "Under God".

    As to money:

    Luke 20:20-26, "Keeping a close watch on him, they sent spies, who pretended to be sincere. They hoped to catch Jesus in something he said, <sup class="crossreference" value='(R)'></sup> so that they might hand him over to the power and authority of the governor. <sup class="crossreference" value='(S)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>So the spies questioned him: “Teacher, we know that you speak and teach what is right, and that you do not show partiality but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. <sup class="crossreference" value='(T)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">22 </sup>Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
    <sup class="versenum">23 </sup>He saw through their duplicity and said to them, <sup class="versenum">24 </sup>“Show me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it
    “Caesar’s,” they replied.

    <sup class="versenum">25 </sup>He said to them, “Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, <sup class="crossreference" value='(U)'></sup> and to God what is God’s

    <sup class="versenum">26 </sup>They were unable to trap him in what he had said there in public. And astonished by his answer, they became silent."

    So, it is irrelevant to me what is on money.

    If the state decides that "Gaye" can be married as men and women do then the state decides that.

    However, the consequences do not change.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-20, "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? <sup class="crossreference" value='(I)'></sup> Do not be deceived: <sup class="crossreference" value='(J)'></sup> Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers <sup class="crossreference" value='(K)'></sup> nor men who have sex with men<sup class="footnote" value='[a]'>[a]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(L)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">10 </sup>nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers <sup class="crossreference" value='(M)'></sup> will inherit the kingdom of God. <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>And that is what some of you were. <sup class="crossreference" value='(N)'></sup> But you were washed, <sup class="crossreference" value='(O)'></sup> you were sanctified, <sup class="crossreference" value='(P)'></sup> you were justified <sup class="crossreference" value='(Q)'></sup> in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
    Sexual Immorality

    <sup class="versenum">12 </sup>“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. <sup class="crossreference" value='(R)'></sup>“I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. <sup class="versenum">13 </sup>You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” <sup class="crossreference" value='(S)'></sup>The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, <sup class="crossreference" value='(T)'></sup> and the Lord for the body. <sup class="versenum">14 </sup>By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, <sup class="crossreference" value='(U)'></sup> and he will raise us also. <sup class="crossreference" value='(V)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">15 </sup>Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? <sup class="crossreference" value='(W)'></sup> Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! <sup class="versenum">16 </sup>Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”<sup class="footnote" value='[b]'>[b]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(X)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">17 </sup>But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.<sup class="footnote" value='[c]'>[c]</sup> <sup class="crossreference" value='(Y)'></sup>

    <sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Flee from sexual immorality. <sup class="crossreference" value='(Z)'></sup> All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AA)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>Do you not know that your bodies are temples <sup class="crossreference" value='(AB)'></sup> of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; <sup class="crossreference" value='(AC)'></sup> <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>you were bought at a price. <sup class="crossreference" value='(AD)'></sup> Therefore honor God with your bodies."
     
  8. snowbird

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    Uh... resisting the changing of the age-old definition of marriage (one man and one woman) does not constitute "Using your religion to take away the freedom of others".





    You're welcome.
     
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    I think one more should be added to the list: You are not free to use your politics to take away the freedoms of others!

    Actually, there should be two added. Before the above add this: You are free to have your politics!
     
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    When your only argument gomes from scripture...it does!
     
  11. Roering

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    Sorting nuts

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    Me like. I'm saving this pic. Of course, I'm going to replace that xd with a glock.
     
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  12. snowbird

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    Who exactly is trying to take away freedom?

    Christians, who ended the slave trade and gave us the declaration of independence and constitution?

    Or Islamo-commu-fascists, who are doing their utmost to ban our Second Amendment, ban "under God" and "in God we trust" while accepting sharia in the name of "tolerance" and "multiculturalism", and ban freedom of speech if it's conservative Christian by labeling it "hate speech"(telling the truth about homosexuality), or "blasphemy" (telling the truth about Islam)?
     
  13. High-Gear

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    Bird,

    You are Crrrraaaaaazzzzzyyyyyy!
     
  14. snowbird

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    Cute ad hom, but zero facts or logic.
     
  15. Gunhaver

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    the wrong hands

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    Fact: I see it too. The crazy that is.
     
  16. High-Gear

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    Who did they fight to end the slave trade? Other Christians who used the bible to support slavery!

    That would be the secular constitutionalists.:wavey: because it has no business being there!
    ***I removed second amendment***
    No one is doing this. Please show me where Sharia has been accepted in place of the Constitution.

    Your "truth" about homosexuality is hate speech!

    Also hate speech!


    When are you going to realize you are just the american / christian version of the taliban?
     
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  17. steveksux

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    Me too. I think he's projecting on the zero facts or logic part though. :rofl:

    Randy
     
  18. muscogee

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    Another vote here for crazy. Bat**** crazy.
     
  19. Bren

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    You are correct, the problem is that marriage is a religious institution that was improperly codified as law by the government. Once that step into government recognized religion is taken, everything else is a conflict. The correct answer is that marriage should be a religious matter for each church to control and tgovernment should have no part in it - no paying for a "license" to do it, no tax breaks, no government granted divorces, etc.

    Government involvement in marriage not only took away freedom from individuals, it took away freedom from churches. An easy example is that Mormons, Muslims and others are forced to conform to the majority religion's views on multiple marriage and such.

    Take government out of the business and anybody can get married, subject to their own beliefs and those of whatever religious marriage authority they recognize.
     
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  20. Bren

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    I hate it when even the allegedly "rational" side of the debate lapses into Newspeak.:upeyes: