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Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by RMTactical, May 3, 2004.
Check out these videos, the last of the 4 is the best...
Be careful...the last time someone posted that, it pissed off a lot of our resident lefists.
"Now you see 'em, now you don't!" ;0 ;N
Bring 'em on!!
Here's some aftermath still-shots from last summer... I bet you can't figure out which ones were shot with a .22lr and which ones weren't...
Click here for some gross pics (some clean gun pics too)
I have shot prairie dogs, but only with .22's.
Is there a purpose behind killing prairie dogs, other than to simply kill them for the fun of it?
I hunt deer, and eat what I kill rather than kill for the fun of seeing something die, which seems to be the point behind shooting prairie dogs. It definitely seemed to be the point behind the videos.
If there is a point to it beyond that, let me know.
Yes, there's a major point to it... The prairie dogs (also referred to as "ditch diggers" for a good reason) reside on farmland which is also often used for raising livestock. The prairie dogs dig thier tunnels out in open pasture and rarely in the woods. These pastures are where cattle, horses, and other livestock live and graze. They dig the tunnel, then the livestock walks along and either steps into the holes or the tunnel collapses causing the livestock injuries, usually broken legs. Of course this either costs the farmers money to the vet or they have to put the animal down. They also can carry disease, but that's such a seldom occurance that one rarely hears of it.
In both Oklahoma and Kansas (the only places I've hunted them), farmers welcomed hunters that will shoot these vermin. I have even had farmers offer to buy my ammo to shoot them.
Also, I'd like to add that I consider myself a very ethical hunter, I wouldn't dream of shooting a "sport" animal that I wasn't intending on eating. However, I do shoot crows, mangy-looking coyotes (but normally leave healthy looking ones unless they are a problem), and prairie dogs. That may seem contradictory and may make me a hypocrite for calling myself an ethical hunter (if that's the way you perceive it, so be it), but I don't see it that way. I might think this way because I grew up on a farm and we had problems with varmits.
Yes, I do enjoy shooting what my buddy calls "interactive targets"...
The videos still seem a bit perverse. It's almost as if they're getting off on killing, rather than doing it out of necessity.
Consider what you do to spiders or scorpions in your house. Same thing, only on a field and, unfortunately, they're cuter.
I've conceded the point to Bambihunter regarding the necessity of the act itself. If the holes dug by prairie dogs cause harm to cattle and to the livelihood of ranchers, etc, then I've no problem with it.
I think though, that when you videotape something like this and then slow it down so as to see an animal exploding into bits....there's a problem with the mentality of the individual as well as anyone who believes it to be cool, neat, fun, exciting, or entertaining.
Your results may vary.
Prairie Dogs do a tremdous amount of damage to pasture and crop lands. Ranchers have been battling them for centurys. If you look at the alternative shooting by sport shooters is the most humane way to control their numbers, and control is the correct word.
Ranchers have resorted to poisoning and vacuuming them from their dens. Vacuuming them litterally collects hundreds of thousands of them and they still run rampant, having up to three litters a year, with the first litter able to reproduce within that first year...;P
Poisoning wrecks havoc on the enviroment. Hawks and Eagles feed on the poisoned carcass's and thusly become poisoned themselves.
With shooting, the scavengers are able to come in and clean up with no harm to them. Snakes are then able to move in to the dens...
Does there seem to be a perversity to killing them...? Yea, maybe so. But I think it's more the satisfaction of a 250 to 400 yard shot with a .223 or a 22.250... To see the devesatation and power a round does is, for lack of a better word, a remarkable sight... My claim to fame is a 150 yd. shot with my AR15 and a Holo-Sight on it...
I'm not into persons killing for pleasure either....
The bunny huggers (I'm for protecting the spotted owl) fear the extermination of these cute little buggers. Rest assured, even if the hunters were allowed to go in with complete abandon they still couldn't wipe them out. Even so, the ranchers wouldn't allow it.
What one thing people don't think to much of is that farmers and ranchers do believe in the eco-system and everything here has it place.
I hope this puts it in to a more reasonable perspective..
In addition to what everybody else said about the tremendous damage that dogs do, I'd like to add that they render literally thousands of acres of land completely unuseable due to their burrowing.
They are a major problem.
And I find it interesting how people get indignant (as I said they would) over these videos. While I can fully understand their point and agree to some extent, I guarantee you there would be no outcry whatsoever were someone to post a video of people gleefully stomping on spiders.
The cuter a critter gets, the more people value its life. ;Q
Also to add to the above, the praire dogs are know to cause damage to sewage and water lines. Numerous cities in far NW Texas have problems and implement bounties on the black tails heads. Some of the dog towns where reported to have population over the 100s and close to 1000 dogs per communities.
When no other methods are available to reduce counts, then like posted above people are paid to go out and reduce the dogs counts by shooting them. Baiting has shown in the past to be least effective & the poisons have destroyed numerous other animals and traps are pretty much useless.
Now the videos are kinda sick & glorifiys the killing and kinda feeds the anit-hunting campaign that PETA and their likes think about ALL hunters. But I personally wouldn't kill any dogs in the ways that they show. But hunting praire dogs is okay by me.
Although PD's are a major pain-in-the-neck for ranchers/farmers hereabouts I shoot them for the sheer fun of it.
Nothing like looking through a 24x scope and getting your daily dose of IVG's (instant visual gratifications.)
Plenty to go around, no season or limit, and they explode so very nice when tagged just right. Around these parts we speak of the "christmas tree" effect when a dog is hit hard: red guts on a sagebrush green backround.
Sweet. Finally an honest response.
Ya, it would suck if people were torturing them or killing them in a way they died slowly, but damn, they simply explode. Can't believe they feel or are aware of anything, so who cares if some get excited lighting them up!
Too bad we don't have any out here in the PRK, that's one shoot I'd love to join in on.
I regurlarly wear a T- shirt showing a prarie dogs head wreathed in the objective and crosshairs of a scope. It has a caption which reads Long Distance is the next best thing to being there. I dont care who I piss off, I've sent several thousand of the little hairy buggers to the great beyond and proud of it. I am foremost an ethical hunter but I enjoy shooting these little leg breakers, it's probably one of the "funnest" things you can do with your clothes on. Let some animal nazi be riding a horse who steps in one of their little bunkers and they'll change their tune. We used to have ranchers pay us per dawg, it wasn't much but it bought beer for later that evening. I thanked each and evryone I offed for buyin' the beer. So I guess i was truly ehtical in offin' the little buggers 'cause I was drinking on them. Dont worry 'bout the animal rightist, I'm for animals having rights when they can vote and pay taxes,
A few years ago, National Geographic did a photo spread of prairie dog hunting. The full color stop-action photos were maximum carnage, and the accompanying text was just about neutral on the subject.
It was just a straight up, "Bubba like to shoot prairie dogs, and ranchers let him. Here's how:"