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FNG unarmed/untrained wearing LE id

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by KCNUKE, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. So our department is working a special event with thousands of drunks. We have 3 of the new guys that have just been sworn in, not trained in plain clothes for more of a ride-a-long on foot.

    The part that has just been bugging me for the last couple of days is, 2 of them wearing identification. One wearing a badge on belt and the other wearing a LE jacket. Both of those 2 were unarmed.

    Now, I'm not the brightest one of the bunch, but if I am in civilian clothes and unarmed, I am surely not going to wear anything that will ID me as LE. I just see it as a officer safety issue, what's your thoughts?
     
  2. packsaddle

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    agreed.

    anything identifying you as LE makes you an instant target.
     


  3. Cochese

    Cochese Most mackinest CLM

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    Whomever is in charge needs to direct them to remove those items. There should he a policy written regarding the conduct of trainees.
     
  4. blueiron

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    This.

    Trainees have no business IDing themselves that way. Someone needs to rip that stuff off of them and put a boot up their rears for their own safety.
     
  5. Are these 3 recruits waiting to attend the academy? Or guys who have completed some basic academy (and certified on some level as a LEO) and were hired by your agency, but just not trained by your agency?

    With us, one is sworn in only after entering the academy. And no one is issued their badge until graduation day (or very close to graduation day. Certainly after they've passed their firearms qualifications, etc...). And when they're in the academy, they wear academy uniforms no matter what.

    No plain cloths with a badge hanging out!

    Are they being deployed for this special event you mentioned? If they are, I hope your agency knows to deploy them way in the rear with the gear. Their uniform of the day? Academy uniform with your agency's reflective traffic vest.

    Hell, and make sure they're wearing their bullet resistant vest in the proper manner.
     
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2011
  6. collim1

    collim1 Shower Time!

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    You can always spot a new state Parole officer in my area. They have a high turnover and whenever a new one gets hired he walks around advertising.

    I was the exact opposite when I started. It took me a while to get comfortable displaying a badge and open carrying. Whenever I work a plainclothes detail (not often, usually training) I try to carry concealed. I am just more comfortable that way.
     
  7. only the 2 were the issue, the 3rd was the bright one with the common sense. They will be starting the training process soon. Sworn in as city employees... not authorized to do anything yet. Not sure what the upper mgt thought/did.
     
  8. If they're not sworn in as LEOs, who's the bright bulb that handed them badge?

    And if these two went out and bought their own badges, they each need a swift kick in the Galls...
     
  9. I would back any of our officers and trust them to back me, they were in good hands, just still shaking my head. I think I will have to give them nicknames "Patches" and "Shiny". Sorry for the vent, just don't like seeing folks like us hurt...
     
  10. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    I am not sure I am clear on this...

    Your agency hired these guys and that is pretty much the sum total of everything...they were hired. They are not sworn, they have no training, they are just 2 folks who have been told, in a formal way, they are about to get a chance to see if they can become LEOs?
     
  11. these clowns sound like the types that make off duty car stops and generally give the rest of us a hard time when they screw up and get in a jackpot
     
  12. jpa

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    Wow, I can't see that working. The one agency I used to dispatch for used to require that trainees in FTO turn in their equipment including their gun and badge at the end of their shift. When they finished training they got to take everything home and when they got off probation they were issued a wallet flat badge also.
     
  13. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    I am guessing they did not do this with approval from anyone to do so?
     

  14. Absolutely!


    Having unarmed, untrained people walking around identifying themselves as LE is at best a lawsuit waiting to happen, at worst its a tragedy.

    Why does the department even have them out there?
     
  15. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

    That's a bull**** policy. Just because someone is a FNG doesn't mean they will be less of a target. We tell our newer people about survival ad nauseum and make sure they carry from day one.

    Back in the day, I heard of departments that did that to reserves and because reserves didn't work full time, training can take a year or more. Yeah, trust them with a gun and badge on duty but not off.

    In any event, sounds like these two are civilians with no training. They have no business with any police paraphernalia until they are sworn. Even then, unless they are working plainclothes in a non-covert capacity, keep the gear under wraps. It's about safety.
     
  16. Sharky7

    Sharky7 Boomshakalaka

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    Yeah, if you are an FTO or a supervisor I would have just pulled them aside right then and there and told them to take off the items. If only 2 of the 3 had the items, I'm betting the noobs were the ones who came up with the idea to wear them - the dumb idea.
     
  17. DaBigBR

    DaBigBR No Infidels!

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    It was actually worse than described. The one with the jacket was wearing a jacket FROM A DIFFERENT AGENCY IN ANOTHER STATE that his father used to work for. The dearth of leadership that is our department doesn't see fit to tell them to do otherwise. One of them was even carrying freakin' handcuffs.

    The guy that used to be in charge (cough) would have done so, but he (cough) chose to just shake his head like everybody else.
     
  18. Cochese

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    I didn't know you guys worked together.

    If you aren't gonna pull rank, at least ridicule them into compliance!
     
  19. I completely forgot about the handcuffs, they weren't even in a case; just dangling like earings. lol.
     
  20. Merkavaboy

    Merkavaboy Code-7A KUZ769

    I'll see your 3 Trainees and raise you a Volunteer!

    My agency has a male volunteer who's barely out of his teens who would come in on Graveyard shift wearing a hat and jacket with the dept patch on it, take a MARKED UNIT containing both a loaded shotgun and M4 .223 rifle and go on "patrol" by himself. The shift Sgt or OIC never even questioned whether the Chief or Capt knew this was happening. It wasn't until the volunteer crashed the patrol car was his night shift antics came to a stop. And that volunteer is still a member of my department.