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Florida AG Says Carrying a Gun is Always Presumably a Crime

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by cajun_chooter, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. Roger1079

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    This. Word for word. I have never understood the people that antagonize an officer during a stop. Being cooperative beats being an argumentative ass every time, even if the officer is not showing you the same courtesy. If you get an officer that is being a jerk, take it up with his superiors at a later time. The side of the road is NEVER the place to argue or be a Constitution Commando.

    I have been asked by an officer to search my vehicle on one occasion. I did not ask why as it really didn't matter to me. I had nothing to hide, so I said absolutely. He asked me to exit the vehicle and retreived the german shepherd from his car. He opened all the doors and the trunk and allowed the dog to sniff around the inside of the car. It literally took about 2 minutes and that was the end of that. The officer thanked me for my cooperation and didn't even write me the speeding ticket I deserved. Had I been a jerk about it and blabbered about my constitutional rights, I am sure things would have gone south in a hurry. I don't get why some people don't understand that.
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2012
  2. SCmasterblaster

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    I carry a G17 up here in VT everyday. I am not a felon!
     


  3. Bren

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  4. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster Millennium Member

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    You're probably correct!
     
  5. SFla27

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    ^^ And this too. ^^

    Yes sir, no sir.

    Assuming you're not being asked to take part in the receiving end of an impromptu body cavity search to be performed by a rhinoceros, complying with the officers' requests without attitude will up your chances of a non-issue tremendously.
     
  6. Gunnut 45/454

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    Disreguarding that the SCOTUS already said just because a person is carrying a firearm doesn't give them the right to stop/questioning by LEO's! I hope FL State has alot of money to give out in the pending lawsuits for wrongful arrest!:rofl:
     
  7. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc"]Dont Talk to Police - YouTube[/ame]
     
  8. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster Millennium Member

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    Heh heh heh - performed by a rhinoceros! heh heh heh!
     
  9. Probably true.
     
  10. James Dean

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    I get something different out of this. I think the AG is trying to protect the police by saying its okay to stop and ask questions if you see someone with a gun. Is it wrong? I don't know. Time will tell. Sometimes a little corporation goes along way, as well as a little azz kissing at a traffic stop.
     
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  11. Chris Chris

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    Excellent point. In Florida (and elsewhere) the only difference between commiting the CRIME of illegally carry a concealed weapon, and being in complete accordance with the law and thus LEGALLY carrying a concealed weapon, is that little plastic card the State issues to the carrier.

    The LEO doesn't know which case he is dealing with until they see the 'card'. A LEO should have the right to ask to see the card. And... a lawful CCW carrier should have no problem politely showing it to them.

    I think anyone who has spent time in the LE profession can understand that. And, I would also think that any lawful carrier would prefer that those carrying concealed handguns be the same law-abiding and properly licensed citizen that they are.

    The only way to find out is to see the 'card'.
     
  12. Bruce M

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    This case had nothing to do with a lawful concealed carrier. It involved a convicted felon with a gun partially exposed loitering in a drug hole.
     
  13. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    You re mostly right. the author of the article has blown the thing way out of proportion. Bondi's statements were part of a legal brief in a case before the Florida Supreme Court not directive for policy for LEO (Which the Florida AG has no authority to do anyway.)
     
  14. redbaron007

    redbaron007 Some Dude Lifetime Member

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    But even in an advisory capacity, could not those LEA choose to follow his advisory...especially if they are somewhat anti-gun? It may not provide 100% cover, but through litigation, they could say they were following the advice of the AG; thus potentially releasing them from violating ones right?

    IMHO, problem is, if the case is upheld, it creates bad case law. Hence, why the Florida Open Carry filed their brief.

    It reminds me of the cliche': Guilty till proven innocent.

    This brings back another conversation recently discussed. I know a LEO in my area who makes it a point to tell people 'if you don't tell my you have a firearm concealed; you will spend time in cuffs and the back seat/station until "I" figure it out. It could take hours.' Our state is not required disclosure state. :faint:

    :wavey:

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  15. Chris Chris

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    And... JMHO... what is wrong with simply telling the officer " I have a concealed handgun and a permit, and how do you wish me to procede?"... whether your state law requires it or not? It does prevent a sudden surprise to the LEO (when I was in that line of work we figured "The best surprise was no surprise.") and seems like a reasonable thing to do if you are facing a LEO.

    Do that, and the incident RE: concealed handgun is over.

    Why not simply do that? It certainly is a lot easier than being a totally assertive jerk & and a rampaging fool who wishes to argue for the sake of making a point on YouTube (which, a careful observer might rename the Stupid/Tube). Arguing about a concealed gun with a LEO in a street interview is about as STUPID as you can get! Just tell them up front, and the problem is solved.
     
  16. redbaron007

    redbaron007 Some Dude Lifetime Member

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    Haven't read or been informed......you don't talk to the po-po!

    Please, you tell the po-po everything you know. :supergrin:

    :wavey:

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  17. Gunnut 45/454

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    So where in the 2nd Admendment does it say you have to have that card to carry? Where in the 4th does it say you have to give anything to the police -just because they ask? Does the 4th say they have a right to ask? I'm of the mind that if you haven't broken a law the police should leave you alone- period!:supergrin: Now understanding that if you accidentally expose your CCW in FL -you have broken the law! Stupid as that is!:faint: Unlike Idaho where I can expose /OC my carry weapon anyway I wish!:supergrin:
     
  18. RenegadeGlocker

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    Holy math/statistical fail.
     
  19. RenegadeGlocker

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    What case was that?
     
  20. F350

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    And what would have done if dogie "found" a little baggy of meth??? You consented; you are ****ed! You think all LEO are Andy of Mayberry??