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Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by INJoker, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. INJoker

    INJoker Simply Charming

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    Gents,

    I've been trolling... er... reading this forum for quite some time.

    I've got a fund set up to buy a nice full-size 1911 in .45 ACP to keep forever, and I've already got that option narrowed down to just a few choices... So I'm all set for that purchase.

    The "1911 in 9mm" thread got me thinking that I would also like a smaller 1911 for carry, perhaps in 9mm. The only reason I am thinking 9mm is that I shoot far more 9mm than any other handgun ammunition and since this will be a carry gun, I will want to be able to train with it... a lot. Basically, if I go this route, I'm going to need a workhorse of a gun.

    I don't want to go really small, especially in 9mm, so an EMP or similar is really not up my alley. I'm looking at 4-4.5" barrels and slightly shorter grip.

    I've been looking mostly at an STI Ranger II, but I find myself asking, "Shouldn't I just stick with a Commander .45?"

    What do you guys think? I'm just looking for top-of-the-head opinions.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. mrsurfboard

    mrsurfboard The Anti-Glock

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    I've never shot a 9mm 1911, but it's hard to argue the price advantage between 9mm and .45ACP if you plan on shooting it a lot.
     

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  3. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    I looked into exactly what you are thinking a while back, the STI was my first choice.
    After shooting a 5" 1911 in 9mm, & a friend's Ranger II.......the EMP was my choice.

    Many people will not bat an eye about carrying a Glock 26.
    Why are you dismissing the EMP?
     
  4. BuckyP

    BuckyP Lifetime Member

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    Just taken from my experience, I wouldn't want to rely on a 9mm 1911 for defense. I am talking full framed 1911s, so I wouldn't group the EMP in there (of which I have little experience). First of all, just look at the way the rounds stack in the magazine. The 9mm being a tapered case, doesn't allow the rounds to lay parallel to one another like the straight walled cases (.45, .40, 10mm, .38 super). Lots of movement between the rounds, too easy to nose dive. Springfield / Metalform even designed a magazine to "catch" the nose dive and ramp the round back up to where is belongs. Then there is the issue of having magazines with spacers in them. :upeyes:

    That being said, lots of people have had success with them. :dunno: YMMV.
     
  5. Hokie1911

    Hokie1911 >

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    I'd look at these...

    STI Ranger2 - $1,000
    SA EMP- $1,100
    DW Guardian - $1,300

    Unless you want to go for the gusto and have Wilson make you something special in 9mm, which will start around $2,400ish (unless you go SpecOps9 - $1,900).
     
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  6. G27RR

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    I have both a 9mm and a .45 STI Ranger II, and recommend either of them.

    I prefer to stick with .45 for carry, especially since the capacity difference isn't much in a 1911. I wouldn't be completely uncomfortable carrying the 9mm with good JHP, though, and it's very soft shooting out of an all steel 1911.

    All that said, I'd rather shoot a little less often and have the .45 though, as long as you can at least get some time at the range in each month. A .22 conversion kit could help get even more time behind the same trigger you carry. On the other hand, you said you want to shoot a lot and you may not like the conversion idea, in which case maybe you should go 9mm or get into reloading.

    If you get a 9mm, the Wilson ETM mags perform well for me.

    You might also look at the STI Guardian, which has an officer frame with a 3.9" barrel.
     
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  7. Three-Five-Seven

    Three-Five-Seven Señor Mombo Millennium Member

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    Get a 5 inch, unmodified 1911. It is versatile and can be used in many games that you might be attracted to as you "keep it for life." Any other configuration, or significant modifications, might keep you out of some of the emerging games that use 1911s.

    Stick with your plan, get a full-size, .45 caliber 1911.

    Then, if you want a good 9mm carry gun, GET A GLOCK.
     
  8. Way to mix it up jackweed, those are two different guns.

    DW Guardian is full frame aluminum w/ 4.25 slide.
    DW CCO is officer frame aluminum w/ 4.25 slide.

    just in 2011, the Guardian is available in both 9mm and 45ACP.
     
  9. polizei1

    polizei1 It WAS Quack

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    Yea missed the comma there...sounds like the Guardian or a CCO would fit the bill, which is what I implied.

    Damn you guys are rough. :rofl:
     
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  10. HotRoderX

    HotRoderX Gen4 BETATester

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    I got a 1911 9mm cause of the price of 45. No problems its pretty much the same gun as a 1911 45 with just a few minor differences. If I was you thought dont forget to take a look at the RIA 1911 Officer
     
  11. Quack

    Quack Rent this space

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  12. drc767

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    That is why the .38 Super is the best of both worlds. .355 Bullet (9mm), more powder than a 9mm and the OAL is nearly the same as the .45. Maybe even more of a reliable feeder than the .45 (especially with a ramped barrel), and if not, just as reliable. Even better yet, load using SuperComp brass and they will stack and feed even better!

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Quack

    Quack Rent this space

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    i like the .38S, but need to start reloading to keep feeding it.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Shipwreck-The-Sequel

    Shipwreck-The-Sequel Beretta 92 Nut!

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    I agree

    Especially 9mm Springfields. They just suck. [​IMG][​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. drc767

    drc767 Navy CSAR

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    Get a Dillon Square Deal "B". .38 Super is all I reload for. It makes shooting the .38 Super very cost effective for pretty short money. Plus, it will allow you to load up some hot ammo for SD, although there are those that would disagree with carrying home rolled ammo. If I am the one reloading it, I have absolutely no problem with it.....but that is just me. :)
     
  16. drc767

    drc767 Navy CSAR

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    That is slick as hell!!
     
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  17. rsxr22

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    I agree with hokie... STI, DW, or an EMP
     
  18. Goldendog Redux

    Goldendog Redux Shut your mouth

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    If this is a concealed carry gun, you'd be hard pressed to beat an EMP. The experience I have had with them is great. You said they are not up your alley, but you should really consider it. I wish I had one.

    MF