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First try rifle reloading

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by deerhuntr88, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. deerhuntr88

    deerhuntr88 OD Green G19

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    Just ordered/ picked up everything I need for rifle reloading (.270). I've gotten my feet wet with 9mm and also ordered 40 S&W Dies and bullets.

    Here's the bullet components that I have:

    130gr Hornady SST
    1lb IMR-4831
    CCI BR-2 Large Rifle Primers
    Winchester Brass

    This is all off of a Lee Single stage press with the deluxe 3-die set plus a factory crimp die (since the bullets I'm using have a cannelure).

    I'm just looking for extra knowledge from some people who know what they're doing and can give me more info than what I've researched (and I have researched ALOT).

    Any and all additional tips and tricks will be greatly appreciated.
     

  2. fredj338

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    Rifle handloading is quite a bit diff than handgun. Mostly in the affect small changes make on accuracy. Your rifle will have a distinct preference for a bullet & powder combo. So buy small quantities to start, no more 100 bullets & 1# of powder.
    Most rifles prefer cases neck sized or for a hunting rig, partila full length sized for best case to chamber fit. Then you need to determine max OAL for your rifle & bullet choice. It needs to first fit the mag then worry about relationship to the rifling. Just make sure the bullet isn't wedged into the lands.
    Work up in small lots, no more than three shot groups to start, 0.5gr increase each time. Shoot from a stable rest, sand bags or commercial rest for best results. WOrk upto max book data & watch for pressure signs. If you get any stickie bolt lift or crushed primers or head stamp marking by the breech face, you are at practical max regardless fo what your book tells you. Your best group will come along someplace in that test batch. Take that load & make up 5 more & shoot those for group. If they look good, 5 more & move out to 200yds. & shoot them again. SOme loads shoot great @ 100 then the bullet gets unstable beyond 200yds.
    When you think the load is perfect, now you can experiment w/ diff primers &/or diff OAL; seating the bullet longer or shorter by 0.020" a pop.
     
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  3. deerhuntr88

    deerhuntr88 OD Green G19

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    2 questions:

    Since my bullets have a cannelure am I stuck at seating them to that point on the shell? Thus being stuck at only 1 OAL?

    Also, I just put the IMR in the powder feeder and I can't seem to get it to throw consistently. It's been off as much as .5 gr between two throws. Anyone have this issue? Am I going to just have to throw the powder and remove/add powder to make it what I want it to be?
     
  4. deerhuntr88

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    Thanks I thought the big flat end would do more damage on impact but whatever...
     
  5. Zombie Steve

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    You can seat it wherever you want. If you don't line up with the cannelure, you can't crimp it. Personally, I would skip the crimp unless you see problems with other rounds in the magazine getting setback from recoil (doubtful).

    I've never used that powder, but if it's metering that bad, consider throwing a grain low then using a trickler to get up to weight.
     
  6. Hoser

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    Make sure you size the brass enough to your bolt will close before adding powder and booolitz.
     
  7. tjpet

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    IMR4831 is a long "stick" powder. It'll never run through a measure smoothly due to it's length, hence your problem with inconsistant weights. You'll have to add or subtract as necessary.
     
  8. PCJim

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    As others have stated, you will not get as consistent a throw with a stick-type powder as compared to a ball-type powder. But, you shouldn't be getting 0.5gr variances in your thrown charges if you are consistent in your methodology. You didn't state what powder throw you are using. The throw that I used long ago in my SS only reloading days would dispense a consistent charge if I bumped the handle twice at the top and at the bottom of the range of it's motion. I can see maybe a 0.1gr variance, but not 0.5gr. Try being consistent and see how that improves the throw.

    BTW, in a 270Win case, 0.1gr will not make much of a difference unless you are trying for bug holes.
     
  9. PCJim

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    Another bit of advice... Anytime you load a powder hopper, no matter what brand it is, run five or more throws thru it to help settle the powder before you start adjusting the charge.
     
  10. fredj338

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    As noted, stick powders just don't meter well, period. So for best result, you need to weigh each charge. Crimping, not for me, not in most rifle rounds. So seat the bullet where the rifle wants it to be & forget crimping. It has little to no value in a bolt gun anyway.
     
  11. ColoCG

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    If you hadn't already got IMR-4831 I would have suggested H-4831. It works great in the .270. It wouldn't feed any better unless you tried H-4831SC .I hand weigh all my large rifle rounds. H-4831 is a slower burning powder that IMR. But if you got it you might as well try it.
     
  12. GIockGuy24

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    I haven't loaded 270 Win in a while but when I did Winchester brass was the best. 270 Win cases do stretch when fired and sized. This requires some trimming. I trim new cases to make sure they are all the same length. Then chamfer in the inside of the case mouths slightly to allow clean seating of the bullets. Make sure you use IMR-4831 load data and not H-4831 load data. They are different powders. I used to weigh each charge so measuring powder wasn't an issue. Crimping isn't usually required. 130 grain 277 bullets with a cannelure sounds odd. Make sure your bullets are the right ones for 270 Win.
     
  13. ColoCG

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    Most Hornady bullets have a cannelure, so it's not odd for them. They are fine whether you crimp or not. I never crimp most rifle rounds. In fact the only one I think I have crimped was the .416 Rigby. because of recoil and it's intended use.
     
  14. Zombie Steve

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  15. fredj338

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    Hey, don't knock it till you try it. You don't have to walk 10-12K a day to get your shot.:whistling:
     
  16. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    Probably best to do it in front of a bunch of kids too. Tough love and all that.
     
  17. ColoCG

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    Plus much cheaper, if you don't get caught.And no taxidermy bill.:supergrin:
     
  18. fredj338

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    HA! Better than showing them Bambi! That crap will ruin a childs mind for sure. Evil old hunters & all that.:tongueout:
    Well, often w/ ele, no taxidermy bill anyway. Most just take the tusks & tail, maybe an ear, but I haven't/won't hunt ele, even in a zoo. Now buffalo, every trip, as many as I could afford.
     
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