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Discussion in 'Reloading' started by High Altitude, Apr 13, 2011.


  1. High Altitude

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    I was all set on getting a LCT but a friend keeps telling me I should get a SS (lee breech lock challenger) being a beginner and all.

    Buying a progressive (besides a lee pro 1000) is out of the question for me right now.

    I am going to be reloading 9mm mostly plus small quantities (not every week) of .38 special, .40, 380 acp and I would like to eventually (not any time soon) reload .223 to shoot out of my ARs. Not counting .223, I am thinking about 300-400 handgun rounds a week on average.

    I currently don't shoot any low volume rifle, bolt guns etc..

    I am thinking a SS is going to be way too slow and for my budget, the LCT will be the better choice.

    What do you guys think? Any reason to NOT get the LCT and to start with a SS?
     

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  2. Boxerglocker

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    Friends don't let friends buy a single stage to load pistol. Go with the LCT, you can use it as a SS of you desire to start just disable the auto index, very easy.
     

  3. PsychoKnight

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    Why is it that nobody recommends the Dillon BL550 Basic Loader? Wouldn't it be cost effective to get this with a caliber kit ($270+$45), Lee die sets($35), and Lee Pro Auto-Measure($35) )(total $385?)? He would be priming manually one at a time, but its still a progressive, and fully upgradable to 550B. Cheapest way to do rifle pistol and .223 progressively (aside from Lee, which I can't recommend). Of course, this isn't so far from a LnL AP w/ Lee dies ($435).

    I think the 550 Basic is the only scalable, full-featurable (Bush-ism) skeletol progressive available. What you veterans think?
     
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  4. Boxerglocker

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    At $385 for your suggested set-up with the Dillon BL550. (Plus shiping directly from Dillon and your other vendors for dies and what not)
    I would think...you might as well get a real 550B for $429.95 (free shipping from BE) and put a set of Lee dies on it for $20-25 for less than $450 total.

    At $220 complete for one caliber with upgrades from Kempf's the LCT is hard to beat for features at the sub $250 range.
     
  5. PsychoKnight

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    Yeah, I guess you're right. Brian Enos sure makes things easy, at least for that price point.

    LCT is the best option for low $200s, especially at Kempf's.

    Its often that after stressing over the cost of the first press, newcomers will soon come to realize that their first big order of components is already nearly the cost of the press. Definitely, far less than the cost of subsequent gun purchases.

    If you really enjoy shooting, and in large quantities, it makes sense to save up longer for a press that will match your joy of shooting.

    I've sold or otherwise transfered about a dozen guns. I've only relinquished one press.

    How about you guys?
     
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  6. robin303

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    I bought the Lee Anv Kit. Got the Dillon beam scale plus the dies 3 books and these guys here and can put out 50 an hour. I'm happy as hell with it. I reload 9mm and 40 S&W and really have no desire to go to a another.
     
  7. IndyGunFreak

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    This...

    Disabling/Enabling the indexing, takes all of about 5sec (inset/remove index rod). Pistol I think would kinda suck on a single stage... As Boxer said, you can use the LCT as a single stage, then when you're comfortable with the process, put the index rod back in, and ramp up your production.

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  8. Colorado4Wheel

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    Sorry, your friends wrong. His statement proves he just doesn't know anything about the LCT. LCT is a SS if you want it to be.
     
  9. unclebob

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    If you could afford it right now I would say the Dillon 550 also. But like you said your money is tight right now. So I would go like everyone else has said the Lee LCT.
     
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    I think most people should start on a SS also, but 400 rounds a week would get old real fast. The LCT sounds like exactly what you need.
     
  11. shotgunred

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    If you don't want to break that $400. price price point than the Lee Classic Turret is you next best choice.
    I personally do not like the LCT. but I will admit that I still have mine attached to my bench. I removed the indexing rod. I have a 9 mm and a 40 sizing die in two of the three holes and a RCBS Pocket Swager in the last one. A quick turn of the tool head and I can be doing one of three different things like I would on a single stage press.
     
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    Doesn't the LCT have 4 holes?
     
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    Older ones have 3... now they come with 4.
     
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    Lee still makes a 3 hole turret. Why I don't really know, but they do.

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    I purchased the Lee Anniversary Kit about a month ago and am really happy with it. I've loaded about 900 rounds so far. I can do about 100 an hour. For me it works well.

    The kit was a bad decision. The Lee scale, while accurate, sucks *****. Its a pain to read the tenths digits on the scale.

    I am only loading 9mm at this point, but have the dies for .380 as well. With the Lee presses, they have the quick-change collar on it, so its not really a big deal to switch the dies in and out.

    I don't ever sit at my bench and load from start to finish.... which is why the single stage isn't a bad setup for me. When I have some time, I might go down and resize/deprime 200 cases.

    Then, I use the hand primer while I'm sitting in front of the TV versus using the primer on the press.

    I purchased the AutoDisk loader for the setup so when I flare my cases the powder gets dropped in. Then I'll seat about 100 rounds and then crimp.

    Its therapeutic for me... :whistling:
     
  16. sellersm

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    Hate to say it, but don't listen to your friend.

    There's nothing you can't learn on a LCT that you can learn on a SS.

    This myth will never die....
     
  17. unclebob

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    Or even a progressive press, That you also can use as a single stage press. Or that you need a single stage for load development.
     
  18. Colorado4Wheel

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    Seriously, The LCT is a Single Stage (when we talk about learning on a SS). It's amazing how hard of a concept that is for people to understand.
     
  19. Colorado4Wheel

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    3 pulls of the handle per round vs 4 pulls of the handle per round. I think they make a conversion for the LCT into a 3 hole but I am not sure.
     
  20. sellersm

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    Yes, C4W, I agree -- that's why I added the part about the myth....
     
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