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First HK, Now SIG Sauer Dropping 357SIG?

Discussion in 'TOP GUNS *357 Sig* Club' started by The Retired Sarge, Mar 31, 2010.

  1. The Retired Sarge

    The Retired Sarge "The Sarge"

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    Hands down my favorite caliber is 357SIG and my EDC is a Glock 32. I own 3 Sigs in 357 also. HK has stopped production of all 357SIG pistols. Now SIG Sauer USA has stated that SIG Of Germany, their barrel supplier, has ceased all production of that caliber. At first SIG USA was seeking another barrel maker or was considering to make the barrels in their Exeter plant. Now the word is ceased production.

    What gives here? Sig has several federal LE contracts and every day I hear of new agencies, individual officers, and shooters adopting the 357SIG round. Slow, but steady numbers that all add up. I called Glock USA and was told that they will continue to produce 357SIG pistols with no thought what so ever of dropping the caliber. That was good to hear. Bill
     
  2. MinervaDoe

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    It's hard to believe that they would drop a round with such great potential to be the leading law enforcement round in the world. If it's true, it's a typical knucklehead marketing decison to hand all future law enforcment contracts for .357 Sig over to Glock.

    I didn't have any luck finding links to support this.

     


  3. itstime

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    Kinda hard to believe myself. I love that round also and think it's a bad decision if this is true.
     
  4. G33

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    Sigs original timing was just poor.
    :whistling::supergrin:
     
  5. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    ^^^ Troll ^^^

    Where the hell do you come up with this s***? I called HK and they told me this is not true. The 357SIG caliber will remain in production in their P2000/P2000SK line of pistols. I can't find any evidence to corroborate your FUD.

    People in the industry are saying all major gun makers are ceasing production of 9mm, 40 and 45 barrels. :supergrin:
     
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  6. The Retired Sarge

    The Retired Sarge "The Sarge"

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    Troll. Never been called that but this is the internet. Take a trip over to the SIG Form as this has been mentioned there. I got my information in direct conversation with HK factory personnel who stated HK will no longer produce pistols chambered in 357SIG. Same with SIG Sauer. Have a nice day. Bill
     
  7. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
     
  8. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    I called SIG and HK, personally. They both claim they are not discontinuing anything in 357SIG except HK's USP series. HK will continue to make 357SIG in their P2000 series. I looked at the SIG forum, "ecitizen" is the guy who claims his FFL can't get 357SIG pistols anymore. ecitizen is either BS'ing or his FFL in a moron.

    http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/6830003602/p/1
     
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  9. MinervaDoe

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    Thanks for clarifying ... :nailbiting: It's going to be a awhile before I can afford a .357 Sig and I'm going to have to get by with a conversion barrel for now. .... Whenever the budget is available for that and the reloading dies.
     
  10. well i wouldn't go and accuse the OP of being a troll just for posting something he's seen in other forums. we all know what kind of information is out there to find, some accurate and some not so much. i'm sure he was just trying to confirm what he's read somewhere else, no need to flame or get overly sensitive.

    if there is any truth to this, i guess the secret service will either be adopting glocks, or a different caliber. either way, as long as glock doesn't have any plans of stopping production on the 357 models i'm happy.
     
  11. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    I agree. Sorry OP for the troll comment. I really did think you were trolling for a sec.
     
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  12. The Retired Sarge

    The Retired Sarge "The Sarge"

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    Thanks Mrs_Esterhouse and no problem. I should have phrased my post as more of questions and see how it might not read well. I have heard of and received conflicting information from the factory reps lately and seems each person you call has different information. I will call SIG and HK again. Bill
     
  13. MinervaDoe

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    Sarge - thanks for posting this. The Internet gives us a big advantage on checking out any rumors that we hear.

    We can all do our own research and then compare notes.
     
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  14. 1 old 0311

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    Dang! First my .41 Mag, then the .41AE, then the ,50AE, then the 10mm, now the 357SIG? Moral of the story? Don't jump on the bandwagon too soon.:crying:
     
  15. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    :upeyes: Relax, 357SIG is not going anywhere especially from SIG and HK. Plus 357SIG has been around for 16 years, so I don't think it was too soon.
     
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  16. NitLion

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    It is now the #2 caliber used by State Police agencies, behind the .40 S&W of course. The .357 Sig is used by the State Troopers of:

    Delaware
    Virginia
    New Mexico
    Rhode Island
    Tennessee
    North Carolina
    Texas

    The Caliber is also used by The

    US Secret Service
    Federal Air Marshals

    The PA game commission switched to The 357sig several years ago...




    When I bought my first 357 in 1998 ( the round was introduced in 1994), there were only about 8 factory loadings for it. Now I have purchased and/or shot 76 different loadings and there are more out there to buy!!

    1.) American Eagle - 125g - FMJ
    2.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - FMJ
    3.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - JHC
    **4.) CCI Speer Blazer - 125g - TMJ
    5.) CCI Speer Lawman -125g - TMJ
    6.) CCI Speer Lawman RHT - 100g - franjible
    7.) CCI Speer Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP
    8.) Collins Cartridge Co. - 125g - FMJ (RL)
    9.) Corbon - 115g - JHP
    10.) Corbon - 125g - JHP
    11.) Corbon DPX- 125g - DPX
    12.) Corbon Pow'R Ball - 100gr - PB
    **13.) Corbon BeeSafe - 91g - BS
    **14.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - FMJ
    **15.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - JHP
    **16.) CNC Cartridge - 102g golden sabre - JHP
    17.) DFA - 85g - Nylon ( lead free )
    18.) Double Tap - 125g - JHP
    19.) Double Tap - 125g - FMJ
    20.) Double Tap - 115g - JHP
    21.) Double Tap - 147g - JHP
    22.) Double Tap - 147g - FMJ
    23.) Extreme Shock Air Freedom - 85gr - AF
    24.) Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration - 115g -frangible
    **25.) Extreme Shock - 90g - FFJHP
    26.) Extreme Shock - 124g - FFJHP
    27.) Extreme Shock-90g-JPT-(lead free-franj)
    28.) Federal - 125g - FMJ
    29.) Federal - 125g - JHP
    **30.) Federal - 150g - JHP
    31.) Federal - 110g - CC BallistiClean
    32.) Federal - 125g - HSTJHP
    33.) Fiocchi - 124g - FMJ
    34.) Fiocchi - 124g -XTPHP
    35.) Fiocchi - 100g - SFN franjible
    36.) Glaser - Blue - 80g - Safety Slug
    37.) Glaser - Silver - 80g - Safety Slug
    38.) Georgia Arms - 125g - FMJ
    39.) Georgia Arms - 125g - GDHP
    40.) Hornady - 124g - JHP
    41.) Hornady - 147g - JHP
    **42.) Lancer Custom - 125g - FMJ
    **43.) Lancer Custom - 125g - XTP
    **44.) Lancer Custom - 125g - JHP
    45.) Magsafe Ammo,inc. - 64g - Defender
    46.) Maine Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
    47.) Master Cartridge - 125g - FMJ (RL)
    48.) Middle Creek Shooting Supply - 124g - FN (RL)
    49.) Miwall - 124g - TMJ (RL)
    50.) PMC - 124g - FMJ
    51.) PMC Starfire - 125g - JHP
    52.) Precision Ammunition - 125g - JHP
    53.) Precision Cartridge, Inc - 125g - FMJ
    54.) Prvi Partizan - 125g - FPJ
    **55.) Pro-Load - 125g - JHP
    56.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 90g - XTP
    57.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 115g - XTP
    58.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 124g - XTP
    59.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 147g - XTP
    60.) Reed's Ammo & research - 124g - Gold Sabre
    61.) Remington - 125g - JHP
    **62.) Remington Gold Sabre - 125g - BJHP
    63.) Sellier& Belliot - 140g - FMJ
    **64.) Triton - 115g - JHP
    **65.) Triton - 125g - JHP
    **66.) Triton - 135g - JHP
    67.) Ultramax - 125g - FMJ (RL)
    68.) UMC - 125g - FMJ
    69.) UMC - 125g - JHP
    70.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - HP
    **71.) Wagner Acuswage - 125g - TMJ
    72.) Winchester - 125g - FMJ
    73.) Winchester - 125g - JHP
    74.) Winchester - WinClean - 125g - BEB
    75.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - SXT
    76.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - BJHP

    For Pete sake... Prvi Partisan even makes it!!

    Pitols that come stock in 357 sig:
    Glock 31
    Glock 32
    Glock 33
    Sig 226
    Sig 229
    Sig 229S
    Sig 239
    Sigpro 2340
    Sig 2022
    Sig P250
    S&W Sigma SW357
    S&W M&P
    S&W M&P Compact
    Taurus PT957
    Steyr M357
    Steyr M-A1 series
    Steyr S series
    Beretta 8357 Cougar F
    Beretta 8357 Cougar D
    H&K USP Compact
    H&K P2000 ( V2 & V3 )
    H&K P2000SK ( V2 & V3 )
    Springfield XD 4" service model
    Springfield XD 5" tactical model
    AMT Backup
    FN FNP-357
    STI VIP
    STI Eagle 5.0

    with rumors of a new Taurus coming out.

    I would say, yeh:wavey:, not going anywhere soon...
     
  17. chemboy

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    Nitlion,
    I didn't realize so many agencies are using the 357 Sig.
    I am kind of getting the itch to try one, probably will buy a Gen4 G23 when they get here and purchase a LWD barrel in 357 Sig.
    :)
     
  18. N/Apower

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    I called and spoke with someone at SIG. They informed me that barrels were "Hard to get from Germany in 357SIG" and that they are "running short on them" and that they are planning to "Begin producing them in America".

    BTW, the FAMs just adopted SIG's P250 in that caliber. (were using P229 before). How stupid would it be to throw that contract away?

    My phone-call concluded that:

    357SIG barrels are kinda hard to get, which explains why noone has them in stock.
    Plans are in place to fix this situation.
    No 357SIG chamberings will be dropped, except that that P226 Elite ST is not "officially" offered in this caliber, although I got mine a few months ago. They do batches...


    The point remains, SIG would be really REALLY off their rocker to give up all their contracts for this product.
     
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  19. N/Apower

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    I'd get a G31. Why? I would want to take every advantage I could get with this caliber in producing sick velocity. Glock has some "fast" barrels due to the polygonal rifling.
     
  20. The Retired Sarge

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    Just got off the phone with a SIG Sauer factory rep with a call on another matter. Since I was talking with them, I had to ask the fateful question again. This rep said "rest asured, Sig Sauer will continue to make pistols in 357SIG". Bill