First encounter with LEO while carrying today - not very pleasant...

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by GLOCK19FTW, Apr 19, 2013.

  1. Exactly.. I couldn't believe it. Hell, I still can't believe it.. lol

    Regarding the bullet, I spoke with the officer and he said he could drop it off on Monday :)

    Even if I couldnt get that back though, that wouldn't be a big deal.

    The guy from the corporate office told me that they will be taking disciplinary action against her, and that they would call me in a few days to "do everything possible to make things right and rectify the situation"

    I have a feeling they will try to offer me a gift card or something. If so, it will have to be one with a pretty large amount for me to even consider it.

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    #41 GLOCK19FTW, Apr 20, 2013
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  2. TBO

    TBO Why so serious?

    -Go ahead and spend the money if you like, I doubt you'll receive the satisfaction you seek. I'm not an attorney-disclaimer.

    My suggestion? If you're that unhappy with your experience:

    1) Don't shop there anymore
    2) Let the owner know why you're not shopping there anymore

  3. I understand that -- but what was I suspected of doing, since again I wasn't even carrying any merchandise, and I never tried to leave the store?

    Suspecting someone of shoplifting (to me anyway) would be:

    Person leaves the store. You suspect they shoplifted, since they have already exited the store, and it does not become shoplifting until they leave without paying for an item.

    I honestly do not think any REASONABLE person would have done the same.
    I doubt it.. I seriously can't think of a single reason - not one - why she would have any suspicion that I was trying to steal anything.

    Plus I was not concealing anything (except my pistol, which she and the officer could not see until I told him where it was and he retrieved it) so there was nothing that I would have needed to "conceal better" in the first place.. lol

    She told the officer that "she saw a bulge in my pants" and that is why she called them.

    LOL.. what she meant by that, I have no idea.

    I DO know that she was not referring to my pistol tho.. I do NOT carry that in my pants.

    So considering that.. I'm not sure I want to know either.. I am pretty well-endowed in that department so I can only assume by that comment, that this pervy-ass old woman was checking me out..... ew......

    I don't know.. I might just wait until the corporate office calls me back & see what they have done about this, and what their idea of "making things right" is before I choose to contact an attorney, since I've had some time to calm down & think things over.

    Yesterday when I posted this thread, I had literally just walked in the door after this happened. So I was pretty upset (as you could all probably tell, lol)

    But as others have stated, even though nothing came of it it's still just ridiculous to be accused of shoplifting when you haven't done anything wrong.
    #43 GLOCK19FTW, Apr 20, 2013
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  4. TBO

    TBO Why so serious?

    Again, you fail to understand that just because you haven't committed the actual offense doesn't automatically mean the other person was wrong.

    I'll try and analogy.

    A Cop is driving behind you late at night in a dark location. You change your CD and drop the CD on the floor of the car. You reach down to pick it up and fumble it a couple of times. This causes your car to weave back and forth in your lane for several long seconds.

    The Cop stops you and checks you for DUI.

    You haven't had a drop to drink or any drug.

    Was the Cop wrong?
  5. No, not at all - because swerving could kill someone.

    I fail to see how someone "shoving something down their pants" could harm anybody else if I had been doing so.

    Not the best analogy. lol

    I do see what you're saying though & where you're coming from.

    I just can not see where this woman was coming from.

    I'll be the first to admit that this probably just hurt my pride more than anything else. I've never had anything like this happen before. EVER..
    #45 GLOCK19FTW, Apr 20, 2013
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  6. TBO

    TBO Why so serious?

    Weaving in your own lane isn't against the law in my state, or any others I'm aware of.
    No citable offense.
    #46 TBO, Apr 20, 2013
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  7. Stevekozak

    Stevekozak Returning video

    Unrelated, but instead of a swear filter, i wish there was a GT filter that would filter out LOL, OMG, etc.......Sometimes I think we are in a forum for teenage Valley girls.....
  8. me thinks someone needs a self-imposed timeout...

    on topic, would be indifferent to the sales clerk losing their job; I'd write that off as karma. what would be of concern to me personally is if it came up in system during next ccw renewal. in this instance, it seems as if it has been documented more than thoroughly once it made it to the officer's supervisor, but the fact that it should have never come up in first place would be difficult for me to let go.
  9. Fipoj

    I don't think suing anybody is the answer. These days nobody has any courage to look at a situation and say opps, a mistake was made, I'll get over it and press on with life.

    OP, if you are dead set on pursuing this then go ahead, but it sounds like a "I'll get back at you if it's the last thing I'll do" situation where you are hoping to score something off a lawsuit. Let it go and move on IMHO. Think of it as karma.

    Edit: You should never be ashamed of carrying a firearm and letting the cop secure it while he controls the situation. Why do you care what people passing by think? The regular public is uncomfortable around guns and may have been a little curious. Nothing for you to feel like a criminal about.

    #49 Fipoj, Apr 20, 2013
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  10. No, I called the supervisor to have them try to get in touch with the officer to make sure he picked up the chambered round & didn't leave it in the store.

    Turns out the officer who came & talked with me IS the supervisor from what I understand.. he's the one who returned my call when I left the message for the supervisor so I think he is.

    If so, I'm not really worried about that. He knows it should have never happened in the first place.

    I plan on asking him about that Monday just to be sure though.

    Yeah.. I don't know man, I probably won't be suing.

    It just made me feel better to say it at the time I guess.

    I suppose a complaint to corporate is enough justice for me.

    & I know its nothing to be ashamed of, in fact its common practice for them.

    I've just never been through it before, and this was under suspicion of a crime that I hadn't even committed (or even thought about committing) so that probably had something to do with it.

    It just really freaked me out man..

    Anyway, I suppose I'll just drop it. You guys are right.. no point wasting time & money on a lawsuit for this.

    I can't take back my complaint to corporate though, but even if I could I probably wouldn't.
    #50 GLOCK19FTW, Apr 20, 2013
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  11. Fipoj

    Are you new to cc? If you are new to guns or ccw it may feel frightening thinking about what other people think when they find out you're carrying, or any time a cop investigates something and you tell them you have a ccl.

    I am very comfortable around guns because I grew up with them and because I use them for work.

    Eventually I reached a point when I realized that I am taking control of my own personal safety and it means nothing to me how other people feel about it (other than my fiance). It means nothing to me to have a cop "secure" my weapon, though I think it is safer having it remain in the holster haha.

    I think your complaint to cooperate was completely justified and they'll handle it.

    #51 Fipoj, Apr 20, 2013
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  12. I guess you could say I'm new to CCW, I got my permit in February of this year.

    Not new to guns though, I've owned for as long as I've legally been able to.
  13. That's a big pet peeve of mine,being accused of something I did'nt do.I would probably contact the manager and raise holy hell but that's just me.
  14. NDCent

    NDCent Socially Inept

    1. Keep your bullet in your shirt pocket.
    2. You should have immediately talked to a store manager.
  15. The officer had that, not me.

    & the woman who called them WAS the manager.. :wow:

    I say "was" because by the sounds of the guy from their corporate office, she won't be for much longer..
    #55 GLOCK19FTW, Apr 20, 2013
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  16. Well.. just an update:

    I know I said I was probably gonna drop this & let the corporate complaint be enough, BUT:

    I spoke with my dad (he went to college for 8 years for criminal justice, criminology (if that is a different thing, I dunno), psychology, and a bunch of other things.

    He graduated all of these subjects with flying colors.

    After explaining everything to him, he thinks I should sue for everything I can (which he believes would be MILLIONS) -- nothing small.

    So.. it looks like I'm back to contacting a lawyer on Monday.

    Sorry everyone who might be offended by this decision, but I'm sorry -- if an asian woman can sue for being, quote, "Horrified!" by a name on a piece of paper, calling her "ching chong lee" on her receipt at CVS, I'd say my situation is FAR more "horrifying" than hers was.

    Will keep everyone updated though.

    As for the karma, if anything, the karma is going to come down on the woman at the store who caused this mess.. not me.

    I will sleep just fine if I sue them for every dime they have. Doesn't bother me one bit.

    As I said, I did nothing wrong to begin with, and I am not a pushover.
    #56 GLOCK19FTW, Apr 20, 2013
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  17. False accusation is a common anxiety in the West and other cultures. Breaking the social contract, etc.

    TBO's analogy was off point, as police officers operate off of different levels of reason for detaining someone - the oft-mentioned stop and frisk, reasonable suspicion, etc. continuum. I mention that as it is relevant to the point he seemed to be making - that the woman wasn't necessarily 'wrong' in her actions - she was exercising her authority, albeit erroneously. I'll try and come back around to that transparently by the end of this post.

    Could have left the store, I can imagine and understand why a person would not. Could also have 'prepared' your firearm for the officer - I can even more clearly understand why a person falsely accused of shoplifting would not decide to pull a gun out and dismantle it. Could have called the police and stated that you were the subject of a recent call from the store, looked forward to explaining the situation, and that you were armed under CWP, and that you were interested in alerting the responding officer to that and your benign intent - again, can clearly understand why a person would not choose to do that. Could have gone to your car, placed your pistol in the trunk and waited. Again - you know.

    As far as hiring a lawyer, I recommend calling your local Bar association - get a free consult or two and then decide. The things you mentioned you might bring suit for don't seem likely to bring any money damages that I am aware of. What are your damages? Defamation suits are very specific, as are emotional distress suits. You made a reasonable move by notifying the management, sounds like they have promised response - follow up with it. Maybe you'll get a free pair of shorts out of it. Tell them what you want, why you're asking for it/think you deserve it, and the lengths you're willing to go to get it - for real. Maybe in the end, you'll be able to write this up to a funny experience - "how I got a free pair of shorts". Familiarity breeds acceptance - now you've been through one experience with LEO response to you carrying. Next time, it will be less exciting for you.

    Consider focusing your efforts on you getting something you want, rather than giving somebody something they don't want. Go for a couple free pairs of shorts, wear them into the store and thank the lady for them if it makes you feel better. If she works management, cash register, and security at a store that sells $5 shorts, perhaps she has some struggles that prevent her from acting rationally or reasonably. She could be on work furlough for all we know. Did she ever prove she was an employee of the store, authorized to make the call?

    If you go trying to get somebody fired to show you're more powerful than she is, chances are she already knows it - she was trying to show her power in 'her' store, and already she knows she wielded it improperly/erroneously. If she gets fired or chastised from the boss, she'll suffer more - does that give you anything? Perhaps it does - perhaps it's what she needs to change her tune, and you'll fell better knowing you saved the next unsuspecting sap from this humiliation - but make sure you're deciding what you want, and not reacting to her.

    This is not legal advice. In fact, it's not advice or a claim of fact at all - it's just some simple comments.
  18. RussP


    This was your original post...
    She said, "We know...we heard," the we, plural, who else was there?

    And you told her first that you were carrying.

    Now you post...
    Now no one knew until you told the officer.

    You're changing your story...
  19. fg17

    Where I live private security can detain people until police arrive.
  20. Patchman

    Patchman Florist

    I'm still wondering why the thread is titled "First encounter with LEO while carrying..." when the title should appear to be "First time accused of shoplifting while carrying..." Being accused of shoplifting seems to be the topic here.
    #60 Patchman, Apr 21, 2013
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