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Felons and Gun Rights?

Discussion in 'Gun-Control Issues' started by The Viking, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    well, since convicted felons are allowed to vote only in democrat strong holds, they should be allowed to own and carry guns only there too.
     


  2. Gunnut 45/454

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    Well I guess thats what happens when Judges have "ZERO" common sense! There was no reason for that judge to reinstate that felons rights! OOPS! Now they can convict him of Capital Murder and fry his arse! OOps we all know that will never happen!:steamed:
     
  3. Jerry

    Jerry Staff Member Moderator Millennium Member

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    Well I guess felons that have served their time for vehicular homicide should nver be allowed to dive again. Right?

    Since the point is mute, (the law will never be changed because people believe others should be punished “FOREVER”) I’ll just ask one question. Please name me one other constitutionally protected right that is denied after a person has paid their debt to society. Ok two questions. What part of shall not be infringed don’t soooooo many understand?

    “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” Thomas Jefferson

    Ask Mr. Olofson how he now feels about it. http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=810186 And yes it can happen to any of us.
     
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  4. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    voting and gun ownership are the only two i know of.
     
  5. Jerry

    Jerry Staff Member Moderator Millennium Member

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    Don’t confuse State law with federal law. Voting varies from state to state. http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286 Not all states deny felons the right to vote just like all states don’t deny Second amendment rights to the rest of us. The feds are the ones denying felons that have paid their debt their Second Amendment right.

    So let me rephrase. Name me one other right the Federal Government denies “free men”.

    If a felon is too dangerous to own a firearm he/she is too dangerous to be on the street.
     
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  6. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

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    We fail as a country controlling recidivist felons.

    No way a violent felon should ever get his or her gun rights back. Yeah, you can harm with a vote, but you can kill with a gun.

    Maybe we could give gun rights and voting rights back to 1st time felons convicted of certain non-violent offenses. But if they end up convicted of a 'second strike' we execute them on their way out of the courtroom.
     
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  7. NavyMSU

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  8. 1gewehr

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    It's actually very simple. If someone is a danger to society, they should not be out loose in public. If they are not a danger to society, then why deny them the ability to protect their life and family like everyone else?
     
  9. Gombey

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    Huh? Alabama is far from a Democrat stronghold. For the most part felons get their right to vote reinstated by filling out a simple form.I say most part because many of them don't care or didn't vote in the first place...maybe I missed the sarcasm...it IS Monday after all
     
  10. NavyMSU

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    I concur. There are a few non-violent laws that could be considered safe to return rights.

    Like a banker/investment broker (example Bernie Madoff) who commits an SEC violation. If/When they get out of prison, the people they screwed over might want to (righteously) do them harm. At least they'll have a legal fighting chance to save themselves.
     
  11. Jerry

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    No I’m not. And I stick by my opinion. If a person is too dangerous to have a gun they are too dangerous to be on the street. Hearing/reading that people want to keep guns away from “released” ex felons makes me chuckle. Why? Because its an emotional not a logical thought process that brings it about. Are they barred from owing automobiles or having matches and gasoline? Nope! Nail/ramset guns? No! How about diesel fuel and fertilizer? Nope? Knives and swords? Nope! But people are afraid of them having guns. Idiotic!

    What’s really hilarious is that the truly "BAD" released felons all have guns anyway.
     
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  12. NMG26

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    I'd say most people do not really think about it.

    I agree that if a person serves their time, they should get their rights back.....all of them.

    Who made them laws anyways? Gotta wonder why people want laws, stacked on laws, stacked on laws.
     
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  13. Jerry

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    Many of the gun laws were passed to keep blacks from having and using firearms. The ”MORONS” were too stupid to realize that the laws would eventually effect everyone regardless of color. They are passed buy elitists and by ignorant stupid people in high places. Another words, the ”MORONS” we put in off and the ”MORONS” that reelect them.

    If a politician votes to enact a “restrictive” firearms law they loose my vote, even if they had it the first time. Anyone that doesn’t understand a simple phrase like “shall not be infringed” is too stupid, corrupt or socialistic to be making laws that honest people must abide by. Criminals by nature don’t care about laws. All firearms laws do is punish honest men and woman for crimes they have not and have no intension of committing. There is only one “Gun Law” necessary… Use a firearm to commit a ”VIOLENT” crime DEATH.
     
  14. Skunk Pilot

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    I see that the story below from the NYT was taken from this, just found that out. The Star Tribune one is very sarcastic though.

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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> This was posted on Star Tribune in Minneapolis and updated 11-17-11:

    The perfect Christmas gift? Firearms

    This has to do with some people being able to go in front of a judge and get their 2nd Amendment Rights back. It is written as very anti-gun.

    ….. They might get angry they didn't get the gun they really wanted and blow you away with the one they did. It has happened before, you know….

    ……To refresh your memory, Scalia wrote the court's majority opinion establishing the Second Amendment as pertaining to individual and not collective rights as some wimpy scholars argue….

    So essentially if you were planning on getting Star Tribune, tell them to take a hike. Or at least after the Christmas season if you really want the ads that come with the Sunday paper, they are really nice to get though.

    Granted I didn't really don’t know how this usually works going in front of a judge. Example; does a family member or two have to vouch for you, or do you also need to get an employer’s recommendation? Just not up on this yet for MN, even though NYT's talks about it though (haven't verified anything yet). However I hope that the attorney’s taking the case tell the truth and can’t pull crap like defense OJ type lawyers can, ie. just make stuff up.

    After reading this I really want to buy a new or used gun now.
     
  15. TheJ

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    I agree with you. Either they are too dangerous to be on the street or they aren't. End of story.