Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Welcome to Glock Forum at

Why should YOU join our forums?

  • Reason #1
  • Reason #2
  • Reason #3

Site Description

Federal C/O raped at USP Tucson

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by blueiron, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. blueiron


    Aug 10, 2004
  2. JohnnyReb

    JohnnyReb Lifetime Member

    Sep 20, 2004
    This is definitely a concern with female officers working with male inmates in my experience.

    Also worth noting, there are a LOT of female COs now, I would say 20% at my work. A lot of women are getting into corrections.
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2011

  3. G27Chief

    G27Chief Lifetime Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    Southwestern Gawjaw
    I have no words to express my anger, prayers to the officer best wishes for a speedy recovery to the staff.
  4. MeefZah

    MeefZah Cover is Code 3

    Jan 2, 2008
    Lost Coast, Cali
    Damnit. What a POS.
  5. Gangrel


    Oct 12, 2007

    My girlfriend is hoping for a career in the BOP. Not a CO, but still direct inmate contact.
  6. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

    May 4, 2003
    Not a CO, but a worker there. Social/psych worker, I think.

    Not saying that makes it better, just saying that the staff probably needs training and tweaks to procedures.
  7. Naelbis


    Oct 22, 2009
    Hack is better qualified to address this since he works BOP, but from what I hear talking to their people the problem is with the agency. Training is crap (3 weeks really? For a Federal LEO?), leadership lacking and the BOP has too many hug a thug managers who never worked custody to properly run prisons. They had to be sued by the union to authorize protective gear after an officer got killed for crying out loud. The inmate is a POS sure, but they all are in the end. The problem is the agency. :steamed:
  8. jhooten

    jhooten NRA Life Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    Central Texas.
    Right, blame the staff. I'll bet you management's "Do more with less" policies had absolutely nothing to do with it, NOT!
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2011
  9. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    My prayers go out to her, and her fellow staff members, and her family and friends. I do hope that she has a good support network. As well, she will be provided with support through the various programs that are within our agency for her, as well as EAP.

    Help yourself to some information. This is public access.

    I of course cannot comment on FCC Tuscon's incident. It is bad, in that there are some problems that most likely need to be addressed. Look into what the union is putting out, as it is pretty straight forward information. Since I am not a union official or PIO I have to be careful concerning what I relate to you, but suffice it to say the union is pretty good about getting information out there.

    The training for a CO comes from a different mindset than for much of the other LE agencies. This occurs not only in our agency, but in state agencies on down; with some having better training to offer to newly hired people than others. The mindset, in the case of our agency figures in that a majority of people coming in to the BOP have past experience in similar lines of work, as well as in corrections, or at least an acceptable degree; along with minimal training in academy to lay the groundwork concerning technique and policies to be familiarized with. The rest of training comes from people who have been on the job for awhile who train probationary employees who are placed in trainee positions; which is something that I participate in. It is sort of like a generalized FTO program, only without as much teeth in it as some other agencies may have in other types of LE. We have institutional familiarization training for the bare basics; trainee positions, and academy. Along with that we do have inservice training. There are other things but I won't go into all of it here.

    The biggest thing that works against people over all is the fact that we have less overall incidents that happen against staff members than in some of the more active LE fields. Because of that complacency can set in, especially if a person has been at this for a long time. Then when the bad incident happens it seems to catch some people by surprise, because of this complacency.

    As to hearing about this, this is the first time I have heard anything. We have to rely on union support in order to get the information, part of which is found through the URL that I pasted in.
  10. CJStudent

    CJStudent Fenced In

    Nov 3, 2005
    Hack is right on. As a new-to-BOP CO, having just been through the training, I'll say it's some of the best Corrections training I've been through. It's not on the same level as other forms of LE, by any stretch, however. But, as Sam stated, she was non-custody. However, non-custody staff still do the same training I do, and are sworn the same way I am. EVERYONE goes through Glynco, and EVERYONE, with the exception of Chaplains, PHS staff, medical doctors, and dentists, completes firearms training. This includes psychologists, social workers, even secretaries.

    Like Hack said, though, the biggest issue in corrections is complacency. Where I work, it's a VERY calm joint. So calm it worries me sometimes. It's one of the few yards that a lot of groups can walk the yard openly. The downside is, people get overly comfortable, let their guard down, and when stuff kicks off, it gets bad, fast.

    NOT that I'm blaming the staff member for this. I don't know the details of what happened, and have heard nothing officially (I've been off the last two nights). There has been a lot, throughout the government, of the "do more with less" philosophy; luckily, my Warden is squeezing every last dime she can get to get more staff and get as much training and equipment for staff as she can.

    I pray for a speedy recovery, and no lasting harm for the staff members involved, and dire consequences for the scumbags.
  11. Deployment Solu

    Deployment Solu Kydex Crafter

    Jul 18, 2007
    When we start executing scum for these crimes, this behavior will stop.They will never get a chance to assault another female.
  12. RetailNinja


    Jan 31, 2007
  13. PuroMexicano

    PuroMexicano VIVA MEXICO !!!

    Jan 28, 2004
    Monterrey, Mexico
    Some of them should've been executed well before going to prison :steamed:
  14. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    In the BOP there are regular full time staff. This includes those who are C/Os, as well as those in other paid full time positions, most which are considered law enforcment.

    There are those who work in health services positions directly under the Public Health Service, who are paid and governed as military, but work with the BOP, in fact many of the health services positions are manned by PHS personnel.

    There are also interns who are allowed to work study in certain departments such as psychology. Then there are contract staff who are considered as visitors there to work on a contract basis, who are not law enforcement staff, or full time staff working directly for the US government; who work on a support basis on the basis of need for certain programs, such as religious services; health services; education, and some other fields. They may either work part time or full time, based on the needs of the institution with whom they work for, and are paid directly by the institution for their services.

    There are also those who are volunteers who work in an unpaid volunteer capacity as well.
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2011
  15. CJStudent

    CJStudent Fenced In

    Nov 3, 2005
    Pretty much what Hack said. I've ran on body alarms several times, and not everyone that responds are COs; there's also case managers, counselors, psych people, hell, even secretaries. It could have been people other than COs that are still sworn staff.
  16. meeko


    Apr 15, 2006
    The thing with BOP is wether you are a secretary or warehouse forman you are a "correctional worker first". Which means now more than any other time when they are short officers the non C/O's are pulled from their job to run housing units, mobile patrols, med trips or any other C/O duties. Many places are getting officers pulled and not replaced with anyone. This has been happining long befor the budget issues of today. BOP has had it's own budget crisis since 04/05 time frame it's just pulling staff is more of an occurance now.

    While Hack is right on, when a bad thing happens and they do all the OIG and all the after action investigations are complete it seems minimal changes are implimented and what changes are, are not really related to the issue. JMHO from several years in BOP.
  17. Gangrel


    Oct 12, 2007
    I was aware of the dual role bit, but not to the extent you just explained. Oh well, time will tell
  18. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    Some institutions are remarkably short staffed, more so than the one I work at. It is true about the dual roll that non custody plays by necessity. At ours there is a union agreement to restrict that to two types of arrangements; those being that during annual refresher training they are in a by rotation dual roll status, and they may sign up for overtime to be used as the custody roster is exhausted. I am guessing with the ones that are more short staffed it is a year round necessity.
  19. clancy


    Feb 16, 2011
    Male CO's alos run the risk of being sexually assaulted, too. A close friend from high school was a CO at Sing Sing Prison in the early 80's and was taken hostage during a riot, along with several other CO's, and held for several days. All of them were raped. My friend went off the deep end and eventually committed sucide. I was seriously considering going into corrections at the time. I changed my mind pretty damned quick.
  20. Sippo


    Jul 27, 2010
    I'm a GS, Dental Officer at a USP (The Big House). The majority of my inmates (patients) are SHU inmates refered from other Pens that didn't want them. I've been reminded periodically in no uncertain terms that I am a CO first and a healthcare provider second (BTW, I happen to be proud to be numbered as a LEO). I've qualified with firearms (voluntarily annually) and I'm qualified with a rapid rotation baton. I am responsible for the patients I treat (escorted by Custody Staff or not), as well as the female contractors I escort daily. I am in frequent close contact with inmates on a daily basis.

    Custody or not, we're all CO's. I like to think I'm watching the backs of my Custody Brothers (and Sisters); And it's mutual. Anyone walking into this place with any other mindset will be taken by surprise when it hits the fan.

    My prayers to all involved in the Tucson incident
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2011