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Federal .40 S&W won't fit in the shell holder.

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Memnok, Aug 4, 2010.

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  1. Memnok

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    Every once in a while while resizing my .40 S&W brass I come across a piece that won't slide into the shell holder. Usually I just chuck it into the reject bin, but this time I got curious. The brass didn't look damaged, so I did a side-by-side:

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    It seems that this particular piece of Federal brass does not have a beveled base, and the extractor groove is narrower. Is this common from Federal? I noticed that Federal 40 S&W is listed as "junk" in the good vs. bad brass section, but I didn't see any mention of it not fitting into the shell holder.
     
  2. IndyGunFreak

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    Who cares about the Federal Brass.. What's your procedure for cleaning brass? ;)

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  3. at_liberty

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    I didn't appreciate your comment until I saw the pictures. Nice bling.:wow:
     
  4. at_liberty

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    A cursory check of my Federal examples shows the head at .055 standard, and it also includes a bevel.

    If a round won't go in a shellholder I check it for burrs and extractor damage. I have an old ignition file that is handy for cleaning up minor imperfections. If the case is a fired round, it probably was passable at one point and should be able to be reconditioned. I should add that I have an inexpensive eyepiece for magnification. That has been an indispensable tool in my reloading.
     
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  5. unclebob

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    Mine look the same as his also.

    What brand shell holder. My bet it is a Lee.
     
  6. at_liberty

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    My sample of Federal brass fits perfectly on four (4) types of Lee shellholders.
     
  7. unclebob

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    Lee manufacture tolerances suck. Mennok probably has one that is on the tight side and that is why the case well not go into the shell holder.
    I have both Lee and RCBS shell holders. The RCBS are 100% better than the Lee’s.
     
  8. FLSlim

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    Once or twice I have had once fired Federal brass not fit the shell holder. I just tossed the brass. Good pix, BTW.
     
  9. at_liberty

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    Referring to shellholders specifically, the only thing pertinent in this thread, if the parts are molded or made on CNC machinery, how are the tolerances going to "suck"?
     
  10. unclebob

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    Does the cutting tool on a CNC or anyother cutting tool get smaller with use?
    Yes. Do you know what manufacture tolerances are?
     
  11. at_liberty

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    But that would make all brands of shellholders "suck" equally, made in similar fashion. The real point would be.....?
     
  12. fredj338

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    COuple of observations & a question. Is that a reloaded piece of brass or factory? It looks to have expanded quite a bit. Federal brass is notoriously soft, makes it about 2 reloads @ full power in most calibers, before problems start showing up. If it fit the SH before the firing & now does not, the case head could have deformed under high pressure & brass flow. I do not seek out Federal brass & never buy it knowingly, rifle or pistol. Although it does seem ok at modest pressures like 38sp & 45acp.
     
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  13. I have the same problem with CBC brass in .357/.38 on my lee handpress. I used a small file to open the mouth of the lee shellholder a touch, they work fine now. I haven't had an issue with my loadmaster shellholder in .40 with any brass I use.
     
  14. unclebob

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    No because most of the other manufactures have a much tighter + or – tolerances. Also better quality control. I have one Lee shell holder that you could not even put any case in with out forcing it in. and I also I have where I had too take a file too get rid of the sharp edge, after I sliced my thumb open. I have also had a Lee sizer die that I don’t think even sized the case.
     
  15. at_liberty

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    Without meaning to make excuses, it sounds like you are using "the one strike" rule for three unique problems. If there are many other testimonies about like problems, then I would be concerned.

    Just last evening I decided to file some hazardous edges off an apparently die cast aluminum handle on a Loadmaster press. It never occurred to me to make an issue out of it. I liked the price, and I owned a file. No, I was not impressed by the quality, but I have more time than money and I have tools that need to justify themselves.

    My one issue with Lee stuff involved an Auto-Disk powder measure that had no disks in the box. Rather than mess around with returns or somehow find disks for me, MidwayUSA just sent me another complete box, this time with all the parts in it. That extra measure assembly allows me to have two powder measures as long as both don't need the same disk. I got the Adjustable charge bar that replaces the disks, so suddenly have a complete powder measure. That feels pretty good compared to the disgust or frustration I felt when first opening a box without all the parts in it. Should they check their boxes more carefully? Of course. What do you do when stuff happens that you can't control personally?

    Lastly, note that Lee has a two year, unconditional warranty, and then only needed when the dealer does not take care of the problem. I think your parts would have been cheerfully replaced. However, sometimes it is just more practical to fix whatever you can yourself.
     
  16. unclebob

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    At Liberty.
    I do think you are missing the whole point of what the OP said and what I have been saying.
    I do not believe he has a brass problem I think he has a Shell holder problem. That the shell holder is out of specifications. I then stated why I thought so.
    No I’m not going too play Lee games and have too send the part back too them for a replacement. I either fix the problem. Or like the sizer die, keep it in case I need too replace the decapping rod on another die that some day might break.
    I would say that most people that post on here that have a problem are using a Lee product. Yes that is just from my own personal observation and no hard controlled study facts.
     
  17. at_liberty

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    Actually, we were trying to find the logic or factual basis for your stating that Lee products "suck" and implying that only a fool would own one, a tangent that you introduced and are obliged to defend, when challenged about it.

    I can appreciate that some of these evaluations can be emotional rather than logical or sensible, depending on the level of frustration.

    Could we at least wait to find out if, in fact, the shellholder in question is from Lee. We don't know that yet but are going off on Lee stuff again. I try to be objective, but I gotta tell ya that the cost savings that Lee represents means a lot to me, and I can overlook minor problems quite easily.
     
  18. D. Manley

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    Not to stir the pot but it's a fact that Lee's shellholders are, "different". Case in point, where their 9MM & .40 shellholder is the same, other brands are caliber specific and held to closer tolerances. As to the OP's cases not fitting, if the .40 caliber case has any extraction burrs (even small ones), it can muck up the fit in the Lee 9MM/.40 shellholder. I use mine only on case prep stuff (not actual loading) and have noticed this on several occasions.
     
  19. unclebob

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    If you go back and read post #7. I did not say Lee produces sucks. I said there manufacturing tolerances suck. If I thought all of there products sucks. Then I believe I would not own or use any of there products. But in fact I do own and use some of their products.
    Sorry if you think that I’m bashing Lee products. That was not my intention.
     
  20. GioaJack

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    I just love a thinly veiled product bashing. :devildance:


    Jack