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FAST & FURIOUS isn't what you think it is--

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Skyhook, Aug 9, 2012.

  1. callihan_44

    callihan_44 INFIDEL

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    the obama cartel helping out fellow criminals across the border, Im interested to hear the response of Hugo Obama defenders on this one
     


  2. Skyhook

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    :popcorn:

    <crickets>
     
  3. jakebrake

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    keep waiting. if it isn't on d.u., it didn't happen...

    the mainstream will never report on it. huffpo will ignore it, msnbc has 2 viewers.....

    it'll be relegated to the dustbin of history.

    Brian Terry's family will know no justice.
     
  4. Bren

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    At least the cartel guy has a story that makes more sense. There was no logic to, "we let them have the guns with no monitoring and tracking, so we could catch gun runners." Compared to that, I have to accept the "supplying one cartel to help them kill others" story as the most believable.
     
  5. jakebrake

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    sort of like swatting the competing drug gang? only, in a considerably less responsible manner?
     
  6. G19G20

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    Ha! Called it.

    http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19113327&postcount=80

    And don't make this an Obama thing. This sort of crap has been going on for a LONG time, across many Presidencies of both parties. This is the black ops crap they all do in the background. The info is there to be found if one chooses to look for it. The Feds have been called out for a long time for being facilitators in the drug game, while simultaneously busting Americans for using the drugs. Nice little racket the US gov't has going.
     
  7. jakebrake

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    ^^^^so, why hasn't rp brought it to light?
     
  8. Jerry

    Jerry Staff Member Moderator Millennium Member

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    See! It's all Bush's fault. :rofl:

    Legalize drugs and all this crap would stop. [sarcasm] But just think how many lives that would ruined and how much it would cost the American tax payer.[/sarcasm] :upeyes:
     
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  9. countrygun

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    But remember, legalizing drugs, and opening the borders are the goals of true Conservatives, thats what a Paul supporter told me.
     
  10. G19G20

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    He has! He's been railing against the federal drug war for a long time. I can look around for exact videos if you'd like. Plenty of vids on YT of interviews, just search Ron Paul drug war and stuff like that. Whether you investigate deeper into what he's saying is your choice.

    This is from the 80's!
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hl5zt3MvzE"]Is the CIA Involved in Drug Trafficking? "I think George Bush is deep into it" - Ron Paul - YouTube[/ame]
     
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  11. Cavalry Doc

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    This sounds a bit fishy still. If the plan was to arm a cartel, why use straw purchased guns?
    There are a lot of different ways we could have given them untraceable guns from other countries.


    I'm not sure I buy this, it's an awfully good excuse that we were working on something to protect America. Top secret, can't tell you about it.
     
  12. Bren

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    The thing about F&F is, even if a top guy from ATF comes out and says "here's what we were trying to do" that doesn't make it so, even if he's telling the truth. In the big picture, ATF's reason for F&F may not be the same reason that it was really put into operation.
     
  13. JFrame

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    That's a valid point. It could have been hatched as one premise higher up the chain, and sold as something else entirely farther down. Even if someone lower in the food chain questioned it, it was unlikely s/he would countermand the directives from above.


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  14. JW1178

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    This actually makes more sense than what the government's story does.

    I can think of 3 reasons.

    1. These are Beurocrats here, they really can't seem to do anything right, they may have just slipped up here.
    2. Of course they could have sent truckloads of AK-47's they picked up out of Iraq and Afganastan but I don't think they really thought it would be exposed.
    3. Holder and Obama wanted to reinstate the AWB the first week of him being in office. They insisted weapons from the US were going to Mexico. Turned out that few of the weapons siezed in Mexico were from the US, a vast majority were from the Mexican military. So... they needed some more proof to "prove" that the weapons were coming from the US.

    I think this is apart of the political kiss-butt system of who gets to run the different Beuros of government producing a bunch of idiots running critical parts of our government.

    By the way the feds are acting, I do think they have something to hide. Well, they are hiding something, that is a FACT. Either it's just severe negligence, or there is something more sinister. Either way it needs to be exposed and those responsible held accountable.
     
  15. whoflungdo

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    If this were true, don't you think Obama and Holder would be shouting it from the mountain tops that Bush started this, Bush did this, it was worse than we thought, we were trying to fix this rather than exerting Executive Privilege?
     
  16. JFrame

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    Yet another good point...


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  17. Goaltender66

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    &#8221;the Sinaloa Cartel under the leadership of defendant&#8217;s father, Ismael Zambada-Niebla and &#8216;Chapo&#8217; Guzman, were given carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States and were also protected by the United States government from arrest and prosecution in return for providing information against rival cartels which helped Mexican and United States authorities capture or kill thousands of rival cartel members,&#8221;

    ...says the guy who was extradited, arrested, and is being prosecuted.
     
  18. Skyhook

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    Ya, I sent the original to a friend who is DEA in CA and he said he would really like to see the claimant's sources, back-up info.

    When so damned much is recently being run 'beneath the radar', who knows what's what, anymore?:faint:
     
  19. Chuck TX

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    Two birds one stone. Thin the heard with drug cartels and undermine the 2nd with one operation.

    It very well may have started with good intentions, but we know where that can lead.