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Ex-BART leo freed from prison after 11 months for manslaugter conviction.

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by ICARRY2, Jun 13, 2011.

  1. MeefZah

    MeefZah Cover is Code 3

    Jan 2, 2008
    Lost Coast, Cali
    I'm glad he's out. Poor guy. Sure as hell didn't deserve to be branded a criminal for doing his job... liability falls on the POS that was resisting LE and a failure to train on the part of his agency...


  2. siblueg

    siblueg Gray Area

    Feb 11, 2008
    Sucks for everyone who was involved.
  3. Deployment Solu

    Deployment Solu Kydex Crafter

    Jul 18, 2007
    I'm glad he is out. I wish him the best.
  4. Mayhem like Me

    Mayhem like Me Semper Paratus

    Mar 13, 2001
    Not a chance
    I'm glad he's out as well, however, he was criminally negligent, he shot a man he meant to taze.
    Some people do not belong in this line of work becasue they vaporlock under stress I am sorry that he had to find that out on the job.
  5. Narc1911

    Narc1911 Anchora Salutis

    Jun 8, 2007
    I agree
  6. ray9898


    May 29, 2001
    I really hate that he destroyed his life in the blink of an eye but his mistake killed someone. I understand how the mistake happened however I still expect more than that from a trained LE officer. Hopefully he can get on the right track and move on to do sort of good in the world.
  7. Dukeboy01

    Dukeboy01 Pretty Ladies!

    Apr 30, 2000
    Lexington, KY
    I said it in the original thread and I'll say it again: His second mistake was resigning. If he'd made the agency move against him instead of quitting, he'd have had a lot stronger argument during trial that his actions were the result of a training failure. That was the most important lesson I learned and I suggest we all take it to heart. Never resign. Make them fire you and defend their decision. Accidently killing a guy in the line of duty is tragic. Going to prison for it is more so. Glad he's out.
  8. CAcop


    Jul 21, 2002
    I would be on the first Greyhound to Idaho if I were him. If he stays anywhere near the Bay Area his is a marked man.
  9. AA#5


    Nov 26, 2008
    You'd be singin' a very different tune if this idiot wasn't an LEO.

    Or if the victim was your son.
  10. Newcop761

    Newcop761 CLM

    Jan 29, 2001
    In Existential Crisis
    We'd all be singing a different tune if Oscar Grant et al had followed the lawful orders of the police officers that night.
  11. Mister_Beefy

    Mister_Beefy Legal & Proper

    Apr 19, 2011

    oh, shut up.

    the man died because the cop was negligent. I suppose you think women who are raped should expect it because they have breasts and wear skirts.

    yeah, poor helpless cop was a victim of circumstance.

    We'd all be singing a different tune if the nitwit could tell the difference between at tazer and a firearm.

    moreover, we'd all be singing a different tune if he had become a bus driver or accountant rather than a cop.

    you know, we'd all be singing a different tune if the yellowstone caldera had erupted and killed us all the day before this happened.

    you make me sick
  12. ricklee4570


    Sep 11, 2009
    We all realize that he did not do it intentionally. But it was negligent. Along the same lines of a person who isnt paying attention while driving and runs over someone.

    I know a man who was having gasoline stolen from his property (he had a trucking business). He was 67 years old. He called the police at least weekly to complain about the theft. One day he looks out the window and sees two guys pumping fuel out of one of the big tanks. He grabs his shotgun and shoots into the bushes to scare them away. His thinking was that it would teach them a lesson and they wont return. He knew they would be gone before the cops could get there.

    Turns out that these two scumbags had brought their two teenage sons with them. They were hiding in the bushes. One of them dies.

    He was sentenced to 8 years in prison for manslaughter. It was a death sentence for him. He died in prison two years later of a heart attack.

    This cop got off lucky compared to a lot of others.
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2011
  13. Then I would make you vomit pea soup.

    Go away little man. When you decide to FACTUALLY review the ENTIRE case, you will see culpability with both parties involved. Or in a math equation, 1+1=2/an unfortunate incident. Then come back and post in a rational manner rather than knee jerk reactionary dribble.
  14. MeefZah

    MeefZah Cover is Code 3

    Jan 2, 2008
    Lost Coast, Cali
    I would raise my son to not be a piece of ****.

    That incident was completely instigated by the deceased, therefore, he is ultimately responsible for his own demise. Sure, the officer pulled the trigger, but the officer was inserted in that situation by the actions of the deceased.

    I've never had a cop prone me out and shoot me in the back. Know why?
  15. ricklee4570


    Sep 11, 2009
  16. FiremanMike

    FiremanMike Way too busy

    Jul 26, 2007
    The interwebs
    I'm glad someone said it.
  17. Mayhem like Me

    Mayhem like Me Semper Paratus

    Mar 13, 2001
    Not a chance
    yes! she is another that should not be where she is.
    The gun did not go bang by itself, she pulled the trigger.

    Much like a guy texting mows down a pedestrian , it's criminal negligence and needs to be punished.

    Every year we see more and more get into this line of work now because they need a JOB..This is not a job it's a calling it really is not for everyone no matter what the ADA says, certain people should not pin on the badge, and it has nothing to do with body type it has to do with whats behind the badge, character, integrity and compassion.
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2011
  18. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    If you want to continue this train of thought, start a new thread in the Civil Liberties Issues forum, don't do it here.
  19. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    Someone answer this.

    What is the procedure for granting an early release from jail/prison? Who makes the final determination?