As I pointed out, "have you stopped beating your wife?" has the unproven assertion that you, at some point in time, beat your wife, and is clearly a no-win situation for somebody that has never beat their wife. Is there any specific god that has been asserted (Christian God, YHWH, Zeus, Jupiter, Vishnu, Ra, Ahura Mazda, ...) that you currently accept is/was a true/divine/supreme/name-your-term god? This question has no such beating-your-wife "trap". For all non-theists the answer is "no". It's not complicated, and it is not asserting that no god exists (or existed). Your considering this a bear trap and refusing to answer is probably the source of frustration for those that may be frustrated. As for me, it doesn't cause me any frustration, because your answer is perfectly clear. There is no specific god that has been asserted (Christian God, YHWH, Zeus, Jupiter, Vishnu, Ra, Ahura Mazda, ...) that Cavalry Doc currently accepts is/was a true/divine/supreme/name-your-term god. As said before, you can easily prove this wrong by naming a god that you accept as a true god. I'm not spinning, twisting or putting words in your mouth, rather summarizing what you have said time and again in this forum. While I do not consider you a theist in disguise, I can understand their confusion. I have never encountered a non-theist that was such a staunch supporter of Intelligent Design, while at the same time cannot provide a single example of a supernatural claim that religion has made that is correct. You also practically parrot the ID mantra of "teach the controversy" when, within the scientific community, no such controversy exists. Happy Sabbath to you, just the same. -ArtificialGrape Wanna kill these ads? We can help!