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Entitlement ......?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by dango, Oct 14, 2012.

  1. Averageman


    Oct 22, 2011
    By the time I was 22, I was a Tank Commander in Germany in 1984.
    I didnt figure that I was "dicking around" either.
    I knew I was waisting my time in HS, knew I wanted to be a career Soldier and since my Mother wouldn't sign for me to join at 17, I walked to the recruiters office with my S.S. Card and Birth Certificate on my 18th Birthday and was in my Basic Training reception Center the next day.
    I dont ask for anyone to give me anything, I work and pay my taxes. The benefits I earned in the Military were compensation for a dirty crappy job that most people couldn't or wouldn't do.
    Those benefits a whittled at a little at a time by the very folks who slept safe in their beds..
    You know what thats all good, screw them long enough and hard enough and you wont have anyone to serve in the Military.
  2. G29Reload

    G29Reload Tread Lightly

    Sep 28, 2009
    YOu know what I mean. I'm far from wrong.

    I probably should have phrased it better. Some people think they're entitled to something they're not.

    Vets are entitled. Retirees who paid in are entitled.

    Welfare queens are not entitled, even though they think they are.

  3. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    I believe that you made a contract and it should be honored.

    That said, many people make contracts and then get screwed when people/companies go bankrupt. Go look up the tons of bankruptcy cases filed everyday and look how creditors get the shaft even thought there was a valid contract in force.

    What we are concerned about is we see the bankruptcy coming. We are doing what Greece has done. We are saying, lets change how we do business before we cant change without bankrupting the country.

    Go back in history (and even today) and look what happens to country that get in this mess. Then google the term "hyperinflation". Find a list of countries that have experienced hyperinflation and tell us one that it has turned out good for.

    What is the saying the LEO on here use?? You are either part of the solution or you are the problem?
  4. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Outside of a few very specialized jobs in military, its not a job that most "can't" do. I just got back from road trip with my Swiss friend. You realize ALL MEN until 34 (unless they are conscientious objectors or are medically not capable) are soldiers in Swiss army until 34? So it is quite clear being a solider is something most CAN do.

    You statement about wont do, is accurate, but statement about cannot do the job is not accurate.
  5. bmoore


    Jan 15, 2006
    Under a regime.
    You are exactly correct. If you keep taking pay and benefits away the services will decline. People do not give a rats ass if it saves them 40 bucks a year, that's sad. You served and kept people safe, I appreciate it and have no problem paying taxes for your pay and benefits. I have saved peoples lives that would literally vote away my position if it saved them their 40 dollar annual benefit fee. People will now reply with "get off your high horse" and all the other BS, but facts are facts.
  6. frizz


    Jul 6, 2012
    I suppose the pay for servicemembers is an entitlement program, too. Hey, it IS taking from one group and giving it to another...
  7. kirgi08

    kirgi08 Watcher. Silver Member

    Jun 4, 2007
    Acme proving grounds.
    We do render a service.'08 :upeyes:
  8. Those of you thinking you are going it make it to the end of your lives on your investments are in for a shock. Unless you die young or are in the 1% you might make it until you develop health problems. Then everything you have goes to health care and you die broke.
  9. nursetim


    Mar 1, 2006
    liberalville N. M.
    Wow, the stupid is strong in this thread. Entitlement is expecting money or services not earned in any way shape or form. The terms of a contract are not entitlement per say. You are entitled to be compensated according to the terms of the contract.

    Shelly/Maria/lachesha did not enter into a contract with the government. They did not agree to pump out kids like a pez dispenser in exchange for free medical care, food, shelter, transportation, etc. pumping out puppies is not a service you our country, sorry it isn't.

    Men and women raise their right hand and swear to defend our nation AND sign a contract BTW. They are entitled to have the terms of the contract honored. If you think the terms are unfair, raise your hand and join up. Put your life on the line and then tell me you are being over compensated. Have someone shoot at you with real bullets and tell me you are being overcompensated. Have your buddy's face explode in a pink mist and his brain fly up your nose, then tell me you are being overcompensated. All gave some, some gave all.

    What have the entitlement crowd done for America? Oh yeah, made it weaker, that's right, what a wonderful service. :upeyes:

    Is SSI an entitlement program? To a degree, yes it is. To those that have paid into it for decades, no it is not. For them it is still a Ponzi scheme. But we made the commitment.
    For the leaches that have paid naught into the kitty and then expect SSI disability, you bet it is. Even people in wheel chairs fail to meet my criteria for disability. I have seen too many people without legs be productive, so no.

    I had an Adam Henry come into my office sucking around for SSI disability because he was depressed about being unemployed, despite working occasionally off the books. I came up with an awesome treatment plan for this jackwagon, and he blows it off, bucket of monkey jizz.

    Please let me know how I can get on a review panel for SSI. I could save the nation a boat load of money.
  10. Averageman


    Oct 22, 2011
    You do realise how many People actually qualify to be in the Military as we currently recruit?
    About one in twenty in the greater Los Angeles area when I was a recruiter actually qualified to be tested with the ASVAB.
    From there you took those scores and went to Medical which eliminated another 10-15%. Then they were given a background check and the legal end of the game was played out and you would lose another 3-5% who would lie to get that far.
    I would guess now that the pool of potential recruits is about 10% of the American Population.
    Using the Swiss draft as an example just doesn't work here in the U.S. Even if you would take in everyone it would burden the system rather than make it better.
    With 30% of us obese, that alone would break the current system beyond repair.
  11. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Wat you dont get is it is NOT $40 a year. It is an EXTRA $40 here, an EXTRA $100 there, on on on.

    I will would make you this deal.

    We go to a flat tax. everyone pays the same amount and then everyone has to send an extra $40 to their FD. I would go for that.

    It is not any individual tax that is an is all of them combined. $40 in the taxes I pay is noise. I couldn't tell you +/- $40 in my tax bill.

    I can blow $40 and not care. $40 to me is not going out to dinner one time a week. I would have to cut back to 2 or 3 times a week.

    But honestly to some people $40 is a lot of money at the moment.

    What people get upset about the SENSE of entitlement that public employees expect. You are showing why people resent it. You assume that they should just pay "$40 bucks a year". If people were so heavily taxed, they might not mind the $40 a year. But it the sense of "the public can pay more" that upsets us.
  12. RimfireMan


    Jan 16, 2011
    Central Texas
    Wow, this is a stupid response. Please learn what the definition of an entitlement is. Just because you think you know what an entitlement is, doesn't mean that you really know what an entitlement is.
  13. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    You are arguing about being selective about who is taken because there are more people wanting to do a job than needed and trying to make the statement that the selectivity based upon too abundant supply of labor means that most CANNOT be soldiers.

    History is not on your side. How many Russians in WW2 were not CAPABLE of being a soldier?

    Look at the Taliban. These are essentially uneducated people that have the ability to be a soldier.

    You are mixing desire and selectivity with ability.
  14. dango


    Jun 9, 2008
    Taliban- The Russians tryed for many years and could not defeat them........!

    Nam- We hit them with every thing we had and guess what ?

    No win........Maybe our standards are a bit high........?
  15. Averageman


    Oct 22, 2011
    We are a very soft society.
    If you take the average Afghan teen of today or the Russian Teen of 1938 and compare them to the American teens of today, you are clearly mixing apples and oranges.
    You can barely fill manual labor jobs today because Americans have babied their young to the point that they now have an uneducated out of shape lump in front of a Play Station.
    They dont herd goats and sheep against a 30 degree slope at 20,000 feet. They dont threash 40 acre feilds of wheat by hand either.
    If you mention the "D" word today Millions of Parents in America would stand up and howl and the Politicans would run away like Mercury from the issue.
    Again with a population of 30% Obese people and most doing no physical labor, you could not field a population of Warriors for years.
    This is why we win with technology and are selective with who we choose to serve.
    History may not be on my side, but history is past and does not work here and now.
  16. Averageman


    Oct 22, 2011
    Or maybe we are afraid to fight a total War?
    No one allowed total war in Viet Nam, as no one will allow total war against the Taliban.
    Instead we celebrate the "Arab Spring" and watch the Taliban take power with our help.
    Instead of comparing the Soldiers in the field compare the Leadership in power.
    Some folks want to win and some want to be re elected.
  17. frizz


    Jul 6, 2012
    Wait. Soldiers, sailers, Marines, and airmen actually earn their pay and other compensation?????

    Gaaaaa!!!! FACTS!!! THEY BURN MY EYES!!!!

    Must... Clear... My... Head... !!!!!


  18. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

    Apr 23, 2008
    What is really funny is that all of the "conservatives" on this thread defending Social Security and Medicare probably despise socialism, deficit spending and believe we must quit accumulating debt.

    Yet, when their teet is threatened they will defend THEIR socialism no matter the fact that spending cannot and will not be reigned in so long as Social Security and Medicare exist in their current form. The teet they defend is THE PROBLEM in the federal budget. Social Security recipients are part of the problem.
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2012
  19. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Well, in general, people feel that it is the "other person" that is the problem. Cut everything except what puts money in THEIR pocket.

    I dont care what govt program it is, that is how it runs.

    There are so many special interests like this, there is no way to make the required cuts. We will go off the cliff and look like Greece. The end has already been written. It just how get there and when we arrive.
  20. nursetim


    Mar 1, 2006
    liberalville N. M.
    I don't remember attacking you personally. You must be a liberal, generally they like to get personal quickly. I take it you never raised you hand and defended our country. I don't know this to be a fact of course, as I do not know you. But your rantings seem to indicate that.

    If you mattered in my day to day being. I might be all butt hurt over your personal attack. You don't so I'm not.