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Entitlement ......?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by dango, Oct 14, 2012.

  1. dango

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    I've sat back and read all the BS about (entitlement). Who are the most entitled ? Welfare , SSI , no. The best medical care ,
    the best foods , transportation , etc..

    You want the answer , (QUIT PAYING TAXES) and see ! Turn your back on the Government and see who is the MOST dependant.........!

    PS: They have already turned their back on you ...........!
     
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  2. RimfireMan

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    The biggest social entitlement package is the GI Bill.
     

  3. Eurodriver

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    That is no joke.

    Where can you work for four years, and then be coddled for 36 months while going to college?

    The old GI Bill was good. It paid a set amount.

    The new GI Bill is welfare for our veterans. An E5 housing allowance for everyone?
     
  4. frizz

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    Why do you hate people in the military?
     
  5. RimfireMan

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    Why do you think an entitlement program has to be evil?
     
  6. dango

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    Why do none of you see the real problem ?

    The millitary , you ask these people to put their life on the line
    and what in return ? Is it your sons or daughters ? We OWE
    these people........!

    We don't owe the Government , the very same people who can not decide what color to paint the BLUE ROOM !
     
  7. RimfireMan

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    This is a prime example of the hypocrisy that is running rampant among Conservatives. They believe the pablum spoon fed to them without thinking for themselves and then spout it back while denying the truth.
     
  8. RimfireMan

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    So, define an entitlement program.
     
  9. dango

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    Truth...........?
     
  10. smokin762

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    Could this be part of the problem? I think so. :upeyes:


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio"]Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube[/ame]
     
  11. RimfireMan

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    The truth is, the GI Bill is an entitlement program.
     
  12. Gallium

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    The cold hard truth is, we really need a draft, and level the ****ing playing field. Everyone serves for some initial fixed duration of time. The mentally ill, the invalid, crooks - everyone above a certain age serves in a capacity where they make a meaningful contribution.

    Then, we remove all of the carrot incentives to service, and redistribute those funds based on other needs in society.

    It would never work, because there is too much entrenchment, and more important, we have made contracts with many service member who deserve to have their contracts honored.
     
  13. RonS

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    Giving someone a phone because they are poor is an entitlement, it happens because "Well, duh, everyone deserves a phone." If the phone recipent had to do 8320 hours of work to get the phone, it would not be an entitlement, it would be compensation.

    The GI bill is an inducement offered by the government to get people to enlist in the military, no different than the pay, leave time, access to the PX/BX or military retirement. Calling it an entitlement is incorrect. You may consider it excessive compensation, like paying a CEO or University President xx million dollars a year, but it is the same concept, the government offered it as part of a contract for services from the service member and the service member has a legal and moral claim to the agreed upon compensation.

    The basis of entitlement is the idea of "I am, therefore I deserve."
     
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    I would agree with the idea of a draft if it were not for the fact that the US military would be unable to deal with the results since they would not be allowed to use the techniques needed to transform the raw material provided them into Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen. You would have a namby pamby, incompetent military or a military with two classes of units, conscript labor battalions and fighting formations. Either would be national suicide on the battlefield.
     
  15. RimfireMan

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    Well, you are wrong.

    Here is the definition of entitlement program from http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e081.htmENTITLEMENT PROGRAM

    A federal program that guarantees a certain level of benefits to persons or other entities who meet requirements set by law, such as Social Security, farm price supports or unemployment benefits. It thus leaves no discretion with Congress on how much money to appropriate, and some entitlements carry permanent appropriations.

    Feel free to search for definitions.

    You see, the real problem is that you have been brainwashed to hear "entitlement program" and say that they are bad.

    Are all entitlement programs bad? Of course not. Do they all have some problems? Of course.

    Open your mind and think for yourself, don't listen to what politicians and political pundits tell you to think.
     
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  16. RimfireMan

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    So, let's hear from all active duty and veterans here on GT. How many of you went into the military for the GI Bill?
     
  17. dango

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    I yes ME was doing fine without playing GI JOE . I was drafted.
    They stole two years of my life and gave it back , College !
    I am a success story and carried MY own weight the rest of my life , taxes , etc. .

    Had they not taken these years , I would have gotten to THAT plane sooner so speak for yourself.......:tongueout:
     
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  18. RimfireMan

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    So you TOOK an entitlement. Does that make you bad? It doesn't sound like it.
     
  19. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

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    The truth is, the GI Bill is deferred compensation.

    The deal is, you serve in the military for low pay and benefits for some number of years and defer a reasonable wage, we will pay the difference between what is reasonable and what you get while serving in the future.
     
  20. RimfireMan

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    The fact is, it is an entitlement program.