Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by kimbercollector, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. If I'm dressed, I'm carrying........yes, even at home while sitting in my Lazyboy watching a football game, or watching Sesame Street with my grandkids. Have your investigated where defensive encounters take place? Nearly 2/3rds are home invasions. For me, it's no difference than putting my wallet in my back pocket and my cell phone in my front left pocket......it's part of my lifestyle. It's a lot easier carrying if it becomes a habit and not something you constantly think about. I do live in a safe neighborhood and really don't feel threatened, but have family and close friends who have had bad experiences. I want to be prepared if it ever happens to my or mine..... Do what feels right for you.

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  2. PhotoFeller

    Silver Member

    Well, I'm sorry if I misjudged who your post was directed towards. Who were you referring to?

    Saying my statements are dumb and silly probably means you (1) don't understand them and/or (2) you don't have the ability to rebut them.

    When you launch a sarcastic post without identifying the target, you should expect a defensive response from anyone who might feel it's sting. Had you not spouted off, I would have had nothing else to say. We were having a very positive discussion based on sharing points of view.

    I apologize to the OP and others who were contributing to the discussion for my rant.

    #62 PhotoFeller, Oct 7, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2012
  3. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

    As well you should be. If I direct a post at YOU, you will know it. My sarcastic post was made in general, towards the comments by people "knowing" when they are in a "bad situation" or not. A bad situation can happen anytime, anywhere and to anyone. Period. Agree if you want or don't. If you can't recognize reality, that's your problem. Not mine. If you choose to not be armed when you "feel" safe, that's your choice.
  4. GlockFish

    GlockFish Floyd

    I carry everywhere but the shower.
  5. I'm not, by your definition. And I'm certainly glad my staid lifestyle isn't subject to inordinate paranoia even though I'm aware that crime can occur anywhere.

    Situational awareness, locked doors and windows, and an alert dog go a long way in preventative measures. While I do often have a pistol readily available within the home it's in Condition 3 to avoid a possible negligent discharge.

    Outside the home the situation and reason for being in that situation, the time of day, the overall routine, etc ... dictate whether or not I CCW. I do think most CCW permit holders would admit they don't carry a significant percentage of their waking moments unless they live, work, or frequent in high crime areas.
  6. Warp


    I'm sure they would admit that. But most permit/license holders are not the type of person who regularly posts on forums such as Glock Talk, either.

    I suspect that most people who are licensed rarely carry. They are either unwilling to spend the time/money to get a comfortable setup, are unwilling to go to the trouble or hassle (which they often perceive as being much greater than it is/could be), they get it to be able to have a gun in the car, or they get it 'just in case'
  7. NBT


    Same here...it would be my luck that the one time I needed it I wouldn't have it.
    Carrying has gotten to the point of being like my wallet, key's, ect. now...if I have to go into a building where it's prohibited (court house, airport, ect.) it's locked in the safe in my truck.
    I prefer to have two...one in the truck safe and one on my side.
  8. Stainless steel and G-10 grips .
  9. 12131

    12131 Monkeyboy

    I was looking for this answer, and sure enough, found it! Yes, sir.:cool:
  10. Hugo R

    Hugo R Gaff G26 User!

    I've lived by that rule for many many years...and its paid off.


    Safe zones...right.

    I am one of those lucky enough to carry 24/7/365 just about anywhere. It's going to feel weird when I retire and lose that authority. and...I've NEVER taken it for granted.

    I hear that (the laziness part) a lot at work. It disgusts me.

  11. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

    While I "truly believe" that I like to carry as often as possible, that isn't as much as I would like it to be.

    I can't carry at work, and I'm not going to leave a gun in my car for 8+ hours a day to be stolen.

    Plus, I don't live in Detroit/Benton Harbor anymore.

    So at this point I rarely carry.
  12. kirgi08

    kirgi08 Southern Rogue.
    Silver Member

    That's why we carry bags of holding.'08. :whistling:
  13. I carry inside the house, outside the house, at church, taking the garbage out, at work, everywhere where it is legal.

    The only time I leave it at the house is when I have to visit a plant or a prison (work related) that will not let you carry on premises.
    #73 SigFTW, Oct 8, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2012
  14. good answer same as me. you just said it better than I did lol.
  15. I almost didn't post in this thread because I dislike the use of the phrase "true believer" as applied to lawfully carrying a handgun as a dedicated defensive weapon in a civilian environment. I simply think it sounds weird, and is probably likely to be taken out of context by other folks, especially those who are anxious to find fault in people being able to lawfully carry weapons in public.

    I've carried a badge for 30 years. As a young cop I carried everywhere. Big handguns, too. As time passed, and the newness wore off, I found there were times, situations and circumstances in which it was either not practical, or often not appropriate, to be armed on my own time. (No, I'm not going to give examples. It ought to be easy enough to figure out.)

    Nowadays I still carry a retirement weapon more often than not. Just depends. If I had to put a "number" to it, I'd say probably 90+% ... over the course of a year. That doesn't mean there might not be a few consecutive days when I'm not carrying a concealed handgun.

    That also doesn't mean I'm "defenseless", either.

    I'm familiar with all the debates and arguments. I've gone to listen to John Grossman a couple of times, too. I understand his subject matter and thoughts.

    I've been a LE firearms instructor for more than 20 years.

    I've spoken with a few hundred CCW licensees over the years. (Yes, we have them in CA.) I've seldom met one who claimed to carry their weapon(s) a majority of the time.

    As a LE firearms instructor I've known my fair share of cops who chose not to be armed on their own time. I remember Grossman stating he's seen statistics indicating that maybe almost 20% of active/off-duty cops carry weapons. Maybe so.

    I remember attending a class on LEOKA (law enforcement officers killed & assaulted), and when the attending students were asked if they were armed, approx 60% of the hands were raised (out of maybe 200 attendees). I'll leave it to others to try and attribute any irony to that number, considering the subject of the class.

    I don't let restrictions against being armed (I'm thinking under LEOSA, when visiting out-of-state) prevent me from going places (unarmed) I want to go to enjoy activities I enjoy doing, just because I can't carry my weapon. Hey, I enjoy visiting pubs, breweries, scotch bars and wineries in new places.

    Life's too short to deny myself some of the activities and pleasures to be found, even if it means carrying a handgun as a CCW weapon isn't lawful, practical or convenient. (Yes, I'm familiar with the use of the words "comforting" & "comfortable" as used in the civilian training world, and I've developed my own thoughts on the matter.)

    Besides having been in LE for 30 years, I've also pursued the martial arts for 41 years (last month), so it's not like I haven't grasped some basic understanding of how violence could occur.

    I get to choose for myself (within the laws).

    I don't lecture other folks about how they ought to feel, though. Not my business (unless they ended up violating some local law, of course).

    Just my thoughts.
    #75 fastbolt, Oct 8, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2012
  16. PhotoFeller

    Silver Member

    Good post, fastbolt. Just your thoughts, but they're good ones.
  17. I didn't know criminals were so particular about the victims they picked. I guess you didn't hear about the Dr. in the upscale neighborhood who's wife and daughter were raped and burned alive in their house. You don't have to have enemies to be a victim.
    BTW I don't drink, smoke, ride a motorcycle or think I'm a"bad ass". That doesn't mean I will live forever though,life is dangerous.We all face death one day I'm just trying to put that day off for as long as I can and I believe carrying a gun is one way to do that.
  18. Warp


    But that kind of thing just doesn't happen there.

    Exactly what was said by a neighbor afterwards. Even after it has happened...still telling themselves it doesn't.
  19. I don't EDC, I also only turn my smoke detectors on when I'm expecting a fire.
  20. PhotoFeller

    Silver Member

    Sorry. Decided not to continue the debate.
    #80 PhotoFeller, Oct 8, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2012

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