In light of the $40 million ATF contract w Glock and S&W for .40 caliber pistols, thought I would toss this out there. ATF Speer 165 GD at @1050 fps from G22 NYPD Speer 124 +P GD at @1220 fps from G19 Test info from Speer: bare gel ATF 12.3/.66 NYPD 12/.73 heavy Clothing ATF 13.4/.62 NYPD 12.5/.64 plywood ATF 15.6/.60 NYPD 16/.51 Steel ATF 17.2/.50 NYPD 17/.46 wallboard ATF 12.8/.62 NYPD 12.2/.68 auto glass ATF 10.7/.64 NYPD 14.5/.67 (typo?) Both look OK to me. FWIW, the FBIs 147/9 and 180/40 Ranger Bonded are pretty close too. Wanna kill these ads? We can help!