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Does CCW reduce crime?

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by vafish, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. The FBI just released the list of the 25 most dangerous cities in America.

    15 of them are in shall issue states and 10 are in strict may issue or no issue states.

    8 of the 10 most violent cities are in shall issue states.

    I don't think ccw has effect on crime either way, but I still want a gun to protect myself.

    Posted from my stupid smart phone, please excuse any spelling mistakes.
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2013
  2. When I carry...I don't care about how much crime I'm stopping.

    I care about how many attempts on my life I could defend against.

  3. oldman11


    Mar 1, 2012
    Actually it does, yes. But you have to go back in each cities history to what crime was like prior to allowing CCW, and then compare; before to after. This doesn't mean there will be a definite decline each and every year. Also this is for certain types of crime, rapes, murders, residential break ins, for example.
  4. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL
    Here in Florida if we look at statistics since the start of our "shall issue" permit system there have been definite decreases in violent crime. Of course there have been other changes such as enhanced penalties for using firearms in crimes that occurred during the years also. Proving which specific changes have had the most effect is far more difficult than suggesting that several changes including "shall issue"
    concealed carry appear to have reduced crime.
  5. Mr Spock

    Mr Spock Vulcan

    Jan 6, 2008
    Why should that be the question? Repeat offenders going through the catch & release carousel are going to be more influential on crime stats than anything else. In FL, it seems you very nearly have to kill someone before you spend any time locked up.

    The question should simply be, "When these career scumbags are released to rob or rape again, does CCW give the innocent victims a much greater chance of resisting being victimized and getting out of the situation with their lives or bodies intact, and does CCW when applied in necessary situations result in fewer repeat offenders?"

    The answer, then, is unquestionably a resounding "Yes."
  6. GIG4FUN


    Jan 13, 2013


    ...mine or my families...
  7. dosei


    Mar 22, 2005
    Upstate SC
    The stats you link to prove nothing one way or the other regarding CCW and violent crime. What is needed would be ten years of the violent crime rate of these cities prior to shall-issue laws and then all the years of violent crime rates after the passage of shall-issue laws along with the number of permits being issued each year. This would be the bare minimum data needed to see what impact, if any, CCW has on violent crime.


    Jun 11, 2002
    New Mexico & Michigan
    Cities are usually the liberal havens. Much of the crime in these cities is committed by inner city youths. You also have to look at the gun laws in the cities mentioned, not just the state. Just because a state is "shall issue" does it mean the city is. Not all states have preemption laws. A lot of factors to consider.

    GRIMLET Deceased

    Dec 29, 2011
  10. Pierre!

    Pierre! NRA Life Member

    Jun 20, 2003
    Lovin Sparks Nv!
    Let's keep in mind that the statistics are during a period where LEO population has been dropping as well.

    Tucson sees the occasional 24 to 27 hours to fill out the 'burglary report', so it will be interesting how the next few years trend.

    And I also agree that each region or societal region would have much different crime "styles"...

    Yah, hope someone is keeping count!

  11. Mr Spock

    Mr Spock Vulcan

    Jan 6, 2008
    And even then, only if the stats were viewed in relation to apprehension/incarceration/sentencing stats for criminal offenses during those time periods, as well as population (both density and sociopolitical/ethnic/cultural makeup). Only then would we even have a baseline to begin discussing whether that was enough to consider the data relevant with regard to CCW and its influence on crime.
  12. HarleyGuy


    Mar 29, 2008
    I live about an hour's drive from both #1 (Flint, MI) and #2 (Detroit, MI).

    I rarely have any business in Flint but I have to go to Detroit about twice per month from April through November, but I go in the daylight hours and also on weekdays, and I take care of my business and exit as soon as I'm through.

    THe major source of problems in most of these areas is gang activity and of course, drugs. (I'm too old for both:supergrin:).

    Anyone can be viewed as a "target" for a carjacking or robbery (anywhere) but I try to be aware a all times and I always have enough hardware to "discourage" such behavior should it develop.
    Hopefully, this coming year will be the last that I will have to do this but we all have to do, what we have to do.
  13. Lowjiber


    Jan 26, 2012
    Las Vegas
    Can we have an AMEN!, brothers?
  14. IndyGunFreak


    Jan 26, 2001
    Yup. I get tired of hearing pro gun folks saying ccw prevents crime. Then when they see an article like you posted, they're like a deer in the headlights.

    Truth be told, it doesn't matter if crime triples when a ccw law passes. It's only a related issues, if it's people with ccw's, committing the crimes.
  15. PEC-Memphis

    PEC-Memphis Scottish Member

    Oct 19, 2006
    Doh ?
    Katrina actually helped NOLA regarding criminals. Many went to Houston and Memphis.

    Aggravated assault in Memphis went up 50% the year following Katrina. Memphis was under reporting at one time, it was discovered that hundreds of reports were simply thrown away and not entered into the computerized records. I'm sure it was a clerical couldn't have been to make "Blue Crush" appear to be more successful than it actually was because of a retiring police chief getting a high paid job at the Tn Dept Of safety and HLS.

    Another conspicuously absent city..... Chicago politicians seldom co-operate with the FBI for the UCR, so the stats there are always suspect.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2013
  16. IndyGunFreak


    Jan 26, 2001
    Yeah, I figured with the cities that don't report properly, Indpls would probably fall off the top 25. I've never really felt "unsafe" here in Indpls... there's some bad areas that I don't go unless I have to, but I still don't feel "unsafe"
  17. redbaron007

    redbaron007 Some Dude Lifetime Member

    Jan 26, 2009
    Too many assumptions need to be made to make a conclusion about the OPs question. Without additional info, answering the OPs question is pure speculation, at best. Surprising, Chicago and NYC didn't make the top 25.

    However, I'm part Boy Scout; I'm prepared, just in case. :supergrin:


  18. RussP

    RussP Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    Reduce, deter, postpone, prevent, all relative to the who, what, when, where, and how of each situation.

    Besides, just possessing a permit/license to carry isn't going to do jack. You have to carry the firearm. How many who possess the permits and licenses actually carry?

    For the concealed weapon to come into play, it must be used. Used? Yeah, as in shown to intimidate another causing them to break off the attack, as in drawn when appropriate for the same result, as in fired to stop the threat - used.

    Now, don't a lot of people say that when they obtained their carry permit they changed their habits, too? They now avoid places where there might be trouble. Now they don't travel to or through certain areas at times when the chances of trouble finding them are greater.

    There're more changes, but the point being, there is more to it than just a ccw does or does not affect the level of crime.
  19. dosei


    Mar 22, 2005
    Upstate SC
    Here is some good stat analysis:
  20. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

    Jan 16, 2005
    Carrying guns is too rare for it to really affect crime - it protects me when I carry a gun, but at least half the people would need one to generate a real deterrent effect.

    Every study I have ever seen says CCW and gun ownership have no effect on crime either way, but it is beyond doubt that they don't increase crime, which is all it takes for my side to be right.