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Do "advanced" shooting skills make for better LEO prospects?

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by verdugo60, Sep 15, 2011.

  1. verdugo60

    verdugo60

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    Hey guys. Just finished reading redneck's epic thread and WOW!

    ...On a totally unrelated front, I'm pondering on my career tonight after putting off homework and realized I have been getting some pretty good training and experience with professional LE lately with my consulting job and my competition.

    For those that have ever evaluated candidates, or just know a lot about the process, is experience in the private sector valid?

    I like handguns and carbines, but my work and passion is long distance. I have been shooting for many years and have worked with police, specifically SWAT snipers. I will be training with some elite counter-terrorist teams in Europe next month, and it will be pretty in depth(4 days) of training with police long gunners. The thing is, it's not official. I don't get a certificate, or POST credit. My question is, would an agency value this experience? Should I try to document it somehow? Should I get a job at an Indian casino, grocery store or something as security to see more action and get experience with arrests? :rofl: Ahem, seriously though, worth putting on any applications or trying to document?
     
  2. Narc1911

    Narc1911 Anchora Salutis

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    No. In fact bringing it up would more likely hinder you in the hiring process than help.
     

  3. SAR

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    No. Actually, talking too much about that kind of stuff at an interview might actually be detrimental to getting hired.
     
  4. blueiron

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    It would tend to disqualify you at many of the agencies I am aware of and definitely at the one I worked at. You would be applying for a job as a peace officer, not the local shooting team. Shooting is a rather small part of the job.
     
  5. A tiny fraction, in fact.

    Just document it like any other hobby and leave it at that.
     
  6. verdugo60

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    Roger that. Well, I guess I will just keep working on the language skills and education and leave it at that. Might help me later if I decide to apply for SWAT if I go the local route.
     
  7. blueiron

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    Keep in mind that whatever experience you have or may get prior to the job is all well and fine, but your employer will train you to do things their way. One may have several tours of combat experience as a Marine Scout-Sniper or as a SWAT member at another agency, but each department requires things to be directly for them so they can show training and proficiency. One can have loads of experience, but it means virtually nothing at the academy.
     
  8. COLOSHOOTR

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    What he said...

    If you make it seem like you're a total gun nut / SWAT sniper wanna be (I'm not saying you are I'm saying thats how the admin in a Dept. or civil service would take it) and you'll never make it past the psych exam.

    Don't try the security thing to get "arrest" experience. Security guards do not arrest people they detain them till the actual Police get there to arrest the person. Two very different things.... I don't really know many guys in LE who came from security backgrounds. The only guys I know who did security came from some of the top groups that have Federal Gov. contracts, are very professional and pretty much only hire from Military / LE backgrounds anyway. Other then that I think it's generally seen as another wanna be thing during backgrounds.... Thats just my opinion though knowing the backgrounds of those I work with and amount of nut jobs I come across in the Security fields. (I know someone else here is thinking psycho in blue shirt driving a white Vic too.... lol)
     
  9. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    No.

    I'm more impressed with a skill, such as an EMT cert, or a second language.
     
  10. verdugo60

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    Hey guys, thanks for your input. Coloshooter, I was joking about the security thing, if you want to get it, read redneck's thread. I think I bring a lot of other good things to the table, so I will just leave out the rifle skills when it comes time. I know shooting is a small part of the job, and a lot of cops actually aren't "gun nuts" and might take it out of context.
     
  11. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    My advice, watch the original "Police academy". you start talking about your advanced shooting skills the interviewer will be thinking "tackleberry".

    in a few weeks you will get a polite letter saying they are not going to hire you.
     
  12. Cochese

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    :wavey:
     
  13. Detectorist

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    The most important skill an LEO can have resides between his ears. It's the basis for everything else.

    Just my opinion.
     
  14. Facejackets

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    Sorry to hi-jack your thread, but I have something I would like to ask concerning a similar topic.


    What if you are baton and taser certified? What about factory armorer certifications or RO/Instructor certs from the NRA? By listing all those cert's on your resume/application do you think that may hinder you, or help?
     
  15. Neither. It's just skills, like speaking Spanish or knowing Windows based programs.
     
  16. groovyash

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    The only firearms skill I would consider mentioning would maybe be if you had instructor level training for police firearms. And then only if you had prior le experience and were moving to a new agency.
     
  17. ArmaGlock

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    While I agree that bringing it up during the hiring process is a bad idea and also agree that it would hurt you, it is not because it's not important or because it's a small part of the job. It's because most of the admin in today's agencies don't have a flippin clue.

    It is NOT a small part of the job, it's one of the most important areas to remain proficient in and train in constantly.

    I think I get where you were going with that statement, but calling shooting a small part of the job is wrong.
     
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  18. msu_grad_121

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    I think what blueiron meant is that shootings are rare in police work, compared with things like citizen contacts, report writing, lifesaving measures, even going hands on effecting an arrest. In the sense that those are things you're likely to do hundreds or even thousands of times more often than getting into an OIS, I agree that shooting is a small part of the job.

    The caveat to that is that nothing, and I mean NOTHING else will do if/when you're forced to use deadly force to defend yourself or another. In that respect, the responibility that goes along with shooting is perhaps the most important part of the job, as your department and the citizens you serve and protect are trusting that you have maintained an acceptable level of profeciency in the use of your firearm. And "acceptable" means to the best of your innate abilities, not merely being able to pass yearly qualifications.

    I'd say that shooting IS a small part of the job, but the responsibility therein is a HUGE part of the job. Just my .02.

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  19. What about martial arts?
    I teach and train like five days a week. I also do free woman's self defense clinics that have spot featured on television every once in a while. This is stuff I had to put down in my background and I list Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in my activity's. Is that going to be a red flag?
     
  20. msu_grad_121

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    I personally wouldn't list your martial arts, only because they're going to want assurance you're going to do what they taught you in the academy, and hence something defensible in civil court. (Although supposedly MCOLES is approving Krav Maga and some other stuff to be taught)

    On the other hand, the women's self defense thing looks good, especially if you're doing it for free or some such. I can't see that being a negative, personally.