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Dividing a nation by politics ?

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by dango, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. dango

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    Well , it seems some of us forget what America is all about . The
    way some talk about liberals or conservatives independents included , we are a country divided. The big "O" turned out to be nothing but a two face. Bush , decided to have a couple of wars and forget to pay for them, not good for the deficit .
    4-trillion or so . Wall street , lobbyists , a government bought and payed for. It's no one man's or party fault. It's our fault for voting these people in for not standing together . We have a voice we have numbers and we are not helpless.

    You've got the richest of the rich with accounts in other countries to avoid paying their fare share in taxes.There are billionaires paying less taxes than you do , the working lower middle class.

    The liberal anti-guners ,that's their choice , let them be targets if they choose.I will be there no matter what if you need me and you don't even have to thank me.

    I am an American and I believe in this country and it's people
    ' it's what I and many others fought for , the American way of
    life and all the people here that consider them selves Americans.
     
  2. I agree with ya, except those ye speak of in your last paragraph...I think those numbers are dwindling, else how else could you explain O's poll numbers? He should be polling like IDK...12% :whistling:
     


  3. aircarver

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    Obamao's poll numbers are pretty indicative of how many people he's got on 'his' payroll with 'our' money .... :steamed:

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  4. When I watch a constituency purposely return a crook like Charlie Rangel to office, it confirms that we are hopelessly divided between workers and slackers. I will do everything in my power to find and elect candidates who will fight the Rangels of our political elite on every front. There can be no compromise with those who seek to steal from America's productive class. Various conservative leaders have proven this over and over again by agreeing to tax increases in exchange for promises of spending cuts which never seem to materialize. This is why we jettison a Richard Lugar for Richard Mourdock, for example. Fight fire with fire.
     
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  5. smokin762

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    Yes, this country is divided. It has been for years.

    Some of us are proud of and want to continue our American heritage of life.

    While some want us to be more like Europe. I take it as they would have fought for the British during the Revolutionary War. :upeyes:
     
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  6. JFrame

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    Interesting point -- the statist-leftists of today are the royalists/ loyalists of yesteryear. They're just picking a different tyrant for whom to bow.


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  7. maxsnafu

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    Mourdock is great but we're never going to vote our way out of this mess. We are outnumbered. Our only options are to either be a drain on the system to crash it or break up the country into Liberal & Conservative zones. We were doomed when people realized they could vote themselves some of someone else's money.
     
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  8. Interesting perspective. You are saying you've given up on our political system. I'm not quite that far along but...

    I am at an inflection point being within five years of retirement and becoming a "drain on the system". For 40 years I have voted for less government in an effort to save the system. Such a vote today is directly contrary to my own economic interests. I have made the statement that this was the final year that I voted for the country's best interests over my own. I now take a close look at each candidates' position on social security and if I am honest with myself, it really should be my top political priority.
     
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  9. W420Hunter

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    You confuse the hell out of me. The 2ed line comes across liberal as hell. I mean what the hell is "there fair share"? Do you really understand tax code, cause I have a feeling you do not. And the hole liberal anti-gunners one I can not understand at all.
     
  10. maxsnafu

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    Yes. It's easy to believe in American democracy--until you spend five minutes talking to the average voter. Watch "Jaywalking" on The Tonight Show. You'll see what I mean.
     
  11. Ruble Noon

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    You know I always wondered where they found those people until last Independence day when I quizzed my nephew, college graduate, and my niece, straight A student who was preparing to enter college, on things pertaining to our independence. :faint::faint:
     
  12. HexHead

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    Every day I move closer to becoming a dedicated secessionist, believing we need to split the country along idealogical lines. I'm effin sick and tired of people in the blue states having any input whatsoever in how I need to or should live my life. Their values are as different to mine as apples to chimpanzees. This isn't the America I grew up in any longer.
     
  13. Oh, I'm fully aware of the dumbed-down electorate. I see it all around me every day. But these very voters only need leadership to vote properly. We have no leadership on the political right.
     
  14. G17Jake

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    Ballot issues arise after Rangel's apparent primary win

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ues-arise-after-rangels-apparent-primary-win/


    Still.... I know what you mean. It shouldn't even be close. I don't know anything about his challenger, but could he be worse than Rangel?
     
  15. smokin762

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    One would think that the Socialist of this country would learn from Europe’s mistakes. Their economy is another failure with free handouts. That bus is dropping below 50 MPH and we know what is going to happen.
     
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  16. countrygun

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    We have much work to do to correct this Country, but to think that electing "this" or "that" person in Washington is going to bring about the change is a waste of time. WE have to change, WE have to change our school board, City Council,County Commission. WE have to change OURSELVES and stand up at every little crossroad we reach and do the right thing even if it is the hard thing. We (not politicians) make changes one,of our own, small decisions at a time.
     
  17. This is where we differ. Billionaires may be paying less income taxes than me, but do they have an income? Or are you speaking of capital gains taxes? Billionaires also make up only a fraction of a percent in relation to our population. In my opinion keeping their taxes down, especially on capital gains taxes, allows them to invest with less risk. How much in true taxes do you think these billionaires pay per year in sales/property taxes?

    As for the rich that do have an income. They pay 100% of the income tax burden as the lower 50% of earners pay no net income taxes. 0, zip. After tax refunds and credits for mortgages or children etc etc, the only people that do "pay their fair" share are the rich. In my opinion they are taxed too much! I'd like to see a flat tax where everyone pays a share. That is truly "fair".. would you agree? Should wealth be punished? What is the drive to become successful in this nation if all you have to look forward to is your tax responsibility being tripled?
     
  18. JFrame

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    Some leftists, I believe, would be more than happy to bring any relatively self-sustaining system come crashing down in some global anarchic macrocosm of the OWS "movement" -- no real vision as to what comes "after," other than some vague notion of everyone munching on lotus petals, hugging Gaea, and cavorting with dolphins.

    The other leftists live in that perpetual smug arrogance (and ignorance) of believing that they are the ones that can make socialism work "properly," in the face of all historical evidence to the contrary.


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  19. countrygun

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    I think the current trend being foisted of on the public is worrisome. 'the Rich, the rich, we aren't happy because they aren't paying enough"

    the rich are a minority, and I get nervous when people, including the President blame a minority of the people for the Countries economic problems. Thank heaven "the rich" aren't all Jewish, or it would be a rather haunting echo.