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Dissapointment, ever since i shot my model 20

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by clogspecialist, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. jw38


    Jun 25, 2010
    I would suggest two things for you:

    1) Don't change anything on your Glock at this time;

    2) Begin at short distances on the range. Don't just "punch holes". Learn as you go along. Pay attention to the BASICS before squeezing the trigger. Once you are "on target" and you are happy, then add some distance.

  2. It's fun to shoot longer distances. Also when you move back in to 7-15 yds. the target seems huge.
  3. 451040

    451040 G21 G20 G27

    Grip reduction
  4. Gray_Wolf


    May 6, 2010
    I have average hands (beretta 92 fits me fine) but G21/20 is waaay too huge. SF version is the way to do!
  5. mjb03bolt


    May 1, 2010

    Not trying to start anything but are you serious ? So you're saying that I need to be how tall and weigh how much to shoot a 10MM. I've seen 6'4" 260lb. men have trouble handling .40 or 45. Its more the general theme of answers in this thread that it's about training, practice and confidence with what ever weapon you are using. You made me chuckle anyway with your response, thanks for that !!

  6. Gray_Wolf


    May 6, 2010
    When the gun doesn't fit you, sometimes there's not much you can do. My advice is to trade for something else. Why 10mm btw?
  7. lwbfl

    lwbfl 2A Defender

    Apr 12, 2011
    Florida Panhandle
    Find an instructor, have him check your grip, stance and watch you shoot. Should take 10 mins. I have "medium" hands too and shoot anything fairly well.
  8. Dave Nowlin

    Dave Nowlin Fisher of Men

    Dec 20, 2011
    Savannah, Tn.
    to be absolutely honest with you, I have owned many different handguns in the past that had high capacity magazines. I've had a G21, a Sig 220, a para-Ordnance, several Smith & wessons and a Sig 226. I finally decided these guns aren't for me and settled in shooting 1911. That's the way it was for me for years as these guns were too big for my hands. I simply didn't and couldn't grip them properly. Then I bought my G30SF and lo and behold it works for me. Then I bought the G27. I have finally found guns with staggered magazines that fit my hand. You really should have bought the G20SF. Glock calls it "small frame" and I call it "
    short finger". It is made for us. At this point you could trade for one or pay for a grip reduction job. These are the only two routes to get the grip down to a size to fit you. I'm not going to beat up on you about training. If you can shoot tight groups with your dad's 1911, then obviously you know a little about shooting. The Glock trigger does require some learning though. Try dry firing while holding the sights as steady as you can at 25 yards and see if the sights pull off as you pull the trigger. Try smoothing the action up as well.
  9. bustedknee

    bustedknee The Snowflakes have taken over GT

    Aug 1, 2001
    Wythe County, VA
    In order to fix your problem you need the expertise of the many many many many many experts on this board.

    Since you would have to go back several years and read every single post Let me save you some time.
    I have been meaning to create this list but simply haven't gotten around to it.

    You need:
    Grip reduction
    Handall Grip sleeve
    Stippling (the uglier the stippling, the better the gun will shoot)
    New finish, two-tone
    After-market barrel (after-market barrel of a different caliber is even better)
    Extended slide lock
    Extended slide release
    Extended magazine release
    $400 Scamming trigger
    25 cent trigger job, do it at least twice
    Over-priced custom ammo (do not shoot the ammo, hoard it)
    Beaver tail
    Butt plug
    Stronger springs
    Reduced springs
    New fiber-optic steel night sights
    Attached flashlight
    Attached laser
    Aftermarket slide
    Aftermarket frame
    Matching serial numbers
    Replace all internals with parts that are "Race" or "Competition"
    Steel frame pins
    Titanium frame pins (install the steel pins first)
    Skeletonized striker
    Marine cups
    Different backstrap
    Slide cover with a goofy design on it
    Magazine capacity extender
    Aftermarket magazine plate
    Steel guide rod
    Titanium guide rod (after putting in the steel one)
    A sight tool
    Slide pull attachment
    Drill some cooling holes in the slide (anywhere) People will think you are cool.
    22 caliber conversion kit
    Manual safety

    Dremel polish everything, everywhere, inside and out
    Locktite every screw and pin after cleaning with break fluid. Lube only with Mobil 1.
    If you make a YouTube video about your gun you will find your accuracy will improve greatly, but only after the above "customization" is completed.

    I do not charge for this information but I do rely on donations to further my hobbies.
    I spend most of my money on women, booze and cigars. If any cash is left over I usually waste it on something trivial.
    So, to keep this information service available please contribute whatever amount you feel you can afford.

    Last edited: Feb 8, 2012
  10. Dave Nowlin

    Dave Nowlin Fisher of Men

    Dec 20, 2011
    Savannah, Tn.
    We need your address so we can have the manure delivered. Do you prefer cow, hog or chicken?
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2012
  11. You forgot to get a Timberwolf frame.:whistling:

    Since you do well with your Dad's 1911, I have to lean towards the grip size being a factor. There is a good chance you just need quality trigger time with it.

    It is very unlikely that the pistol itself has a mechanical defect causing the accuracy issue.
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2012
  12. dango


    Jun 9, 2008
    My point exactly,but you said it so much better.
  13. Read Bren's posts on this subject and adhere to them.

    He's right.
  14. mdsn969


    Apr 15, 2011

    Here is a target that will help a bit but definitely find a good instructor, they will clear that problem right up...

    Righthand Shooter's Target

    Last edited: Feb 8, 2012
  15. gommer


    Feb 20, 2011
    I love the Walther P99. The gun just fits my hand perfect, or so it feels anyway.

    By and far it is the most comfortable gun for me to hold and shoot.

    I'll be damned if I can hit anything with the gun though. I've had several - and I just can't hit jack with them. Pass it off to a friend, they'll do great with it.

    I just gave up. Sometimes it's just the shooter. I can't explain why, for sure, I can't shoot them. Best I can figure is it seems like I twist the gun in my hand a little when I pull the trigger. I can't seem to correct that behavior, though - and it just makes more sense to use a different platform.

    I love my Glocks.. they don't feel as 'right' as the Walther does - but I can shoot great with them and they don't fail. That and I'm not a fan of having multiple buttons to push on something that should be simple. (Eg pull the trigger gun go BOOM.)
  16. L Pete

    L Pete

    Mar 4, 2011
    Why shoot at 25 yds.?

    I don't know, but in the olden days when I was a LEO, the common course of fire not only included 25 yds., but 50 yds., also. This was done with a 4" S & W or Colt revolver fired only double action, except for the 50 yds., which could be fired single action, but was usually fired double action, just to keep it simple (KISS).

    When at the range, I always fire at 25 yds., and still shoot the 50 yd. line on occasion. Remember, the high capacity firearms and good high quality ammo ain't any good, if you can hit the BG. Marksmanship pays dividends.
  17. MrColtM4


    Aug 2, 2008

    Same problem as you, I think hands are just a tad small. Friend shot my 20 just fine, but myself I shot group like you describe. Try the SF frame instead. Oh, and to the question why 10mm? Because it is awesome! Everyone wants to be/have awesome right?
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2012
  18. RVFR


    Dec 19, 2011
    Oly, Wa.
    Well hell, my 21 (same frame) at 25yds to me the sights cover up just about anything in a 12" size dinner plate, so if I hit it, it's good. At 10 yards I have no trouble hitting coke cans even thou again they are not seen from the sight. Just saying, that and yea these glocks seem to take a bit of practicing, and yea boy you grabbed a big gun frame wise, All though I have long fingers XXL glove, so not sure you do or not, but it reads like hanging on to the gun is an issue. I say just keep shooting it ,you'll get it down, if not, you can send it my way :0
  19. PrecisionRifleman


    Jan 24, 2011
    I'm thinking you may want to try the SF, but before doing that take the advice of others and have someone else try it out to make sure its not the gun. My 20SF is minute of man at 100 yards. Your 10mm should be a laser beam, and tack driver as far as pistols are concerned. I myself shot the non SF model 20 years ago and couldn't shoot the thing for jack simply because the grip was to large. To me a regular G20 is like gripping a 2x4. Let us know what you discover to be the problem to be. I'm betting on the grip being to large though.

    Also to all of those that ask why 10mm. Shoot one, and you won't have to ask why. I've taken deer @ 50 yards with mine with a single shot. If that's not adequate stopping power in a service size pistol I don't know what is. The 10mm is the 30-06 of auto loading pistols. It does it all, has the widest array of bullet weights, shoots like a laser beam, and has ample stomping power from 2 legged predators to 4. Don't knock it until you try it. You'll likely discover a diamond in the rough. I did.

    NOTE: Everyone I know who has not shot a Glock much needed ample practice time with the Glock to get used to the trigger. If you find that someone else can shoot your Glock just fine ruling out the gun itself, and you determine that the girp isn't too large; then you just need a lot of trigger time.
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2012