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Dissapointment, ever since i shot my model 20

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by clogspecialist, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. clogspecialist

    clogspecialist 10-head

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    I use to hate glocks, my dad always had a model 21 and i use to think it was ugly and didn't like the plastic. But then I grew up and learned to love the platform. Reliability, Simplicity, and affordability. How everything should be. So after stumbling upon some spendable cash i was looking for a modern handgun, i researched and researched and knew i would never be happy if i didn't get a 10mm auto chambered handgun. Since I couldn't afford a decent 1911, let alone a Colt delta elite or kimber or dan wesson, i figured hey; why not get the most powerful yet most reliable semi-automatic pistol on this planet? so i called the big-popular gun shop about 35min away and they had a gen 3 Glock 20 in stock. After a 4 day waiting period i picked it up and loved everything about it. That is until i shot the beast. my first 100 rounds at the shooting range was a joke, i'm talking a 1 and a half foot group at 20yds. i was shooting CCI blazer 200gr fmj's going 1050fps. These are pretty light loads by 10mm standards, but i seriously couldnt shoot the thing to save my life. at the same time and day i would switch off and shoot my dads kimber 1911 .45acp and was shooting 4" groups at 25yds. I was kicking myself in the head. So i got ahold of more ammo (factory light loads) and am doing slightly better. i have put about 400rounds through her but still am only getting about 12" groups at 25yds, standing, both hands. now i have been shooting handguns since an early age and excel with my 1954 cz52 and of course my dad's kimber. but this damn glock i just cant be precise with. i however know what the problem is. grip size compared to my hand-size, i am only 5'7" 125lbs, with hands that fit a size Medium glove, and the grip of the Glock 20/21 is Large, to say the least. also a factor at the beginning was the trigger, it definently took some getting use to, and i finally can work the trigger well, but i am still not accurate with my beloved handgun. The recoil isn't a factor, and neither is the weight. Of course i am not going to spend the cash on an aftermarket barrel as that probably will not get me much tighter groups. One thing i might do, is switch sights. for some reason i think i have trouble accurately lining up the glock dot and open-square sights. i am leaning towards Heine straigh-eight night sights. I would hate to get rid of the gun, as i truly love it, but if i cant shoot it well then whats the point of owning it? some guidance would be appreciated
     
  2. tackstrp

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    Terrible eyesight for shooting.
    i have a glock 29 with a aimpoint micro red dot., paid as much for the red dot as i did the gun. then added lone wolf 40 s&w and 10 MM barrels.

    I am a terrible shooter, with any open sights. cant see the sights. With my SP101, sig P238 and a Seecamp, all i can do is point and shoot. Can pass the CCW test with any of my little guns. Also have a glock 17L and move the aimpoint micro red dot between the two. I sold my Smith Wesson 41 to buy a Glock 17L . No regrets.

    I do regret not having a Glock 20.

    Only use lead bullet with a 15 bhn hardness or over . I dont use the orginal Glock barrels. The lone wolf barrels are advertised as target grade. Tighter chambers.
     
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  3. vis35

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    Have someone else try your G20, see if there is a problem with the gun.
     
  4. Texcowboy

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    I agree, or have a 3.5 connector installed it sounds like you are having a problem with the Glock trigger.
     
  5. Atomic Punk

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    love my g20. fits my hand well. usually get XL gloves though.
     
  6. encore4me

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    Maybe you need the 20SF.
     
  7. Dalton Wayne

    Dalton Wayne Epic mustache Millennium Member

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    Why are you shooting 25 yards? that's not a realistic self defense distance, try 7 yards and get back to us.
     
  8. CheddarB

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    Snap Caps are your friend... I had the same "problem" when I started shooting Glocks, but some good dry fire practice can go a long way,
     
  9. alwaysshootin

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    Whenever someone has a problem accuracy wise in the G20, it's almost always because the grip is to large. If it's too large for your hand, and your not controlling it well, it's going to jump all over your hand! PM sent, hope I can help you out.
     
  10. Beretta92guy

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    THIS.....i dont understand why people want to shoot at 25+ yards with a combat handgun, i go 7 to 10 yards max....
     
  11. alwaysshootin

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    How about,

    If I can shoot a combat handgun well at 25 Yards, I'm going to shoot impressively, at 7, or 10, yards! And, shooting impressively, at 7, or 10 yards, does not make one a competent shooter at 25 yards. Hope this helps you understand why some prefer shooting at longer distances! Heck, sometimes, I go out to as far as 50 yards!:wow:
     
  12. Bren

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    You don't need new sights and you don't need a new barrel. You need training. You could weld BB's to the top of your slide and, as long as you lined them up the same every time, your gun would group. The problem is in your hands and in being new to shooting and self-taught. Grip and trigger control are the reasons you have trouble with the gun. If you can find a really good instructor, they can fix it in a couple of days.
     
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  13. Bren

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    Because 25 yards magnifies your shooting errors and lets you know what's wrong, for one thing. For another, if you ever do have to shoot aimed shots, if you can do it at 25 you can do it at less.Standard law enforcement training and qualification courses run about 3 yards to 25 and all distances in between. A while back (60's and earlier), it often went out to 50.

    7 to 10 yards requires much less, if any, reliance on the sights and if that's all you're ever learned, you will fail at greater distances. The longest defensive handgun shooting I've seen in real life is when I was first on the scene of a gunfight between a many with a lever action rifle and one with a single action cowboy revolver at 40 yards or more. The one with the revolver is dead now.

    I agree that most defense is 3 yards and sights aren't used - that doesn't mean you don't need to learn the fundamentals of operating your gun, which includes shooting longer distances with sights.
     
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  14. arushus

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    Check out cold bore customs, a full grip reduction may be in order...
     
  15. Big Bird

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    Spend some money on training. You are willing to spend thousands of dollars on guns and ammo but not a cent on training? That's like going out and buying golf clubs and trying to teach yourself how to golf. Or a piano and trying to teach yourself music. Of course you can teach yourself both music and golf. But that's a hard way to do things.

    Of course we all THINK we know how to shoot. I did!

    Spend some money on training. The best $1k I ever spent on anything related to guns and shooting was the tuition I paid for a week long course at Gunsite. When I went I was 36 years old and had owned, reloaded for and shot handguns since I was 16. I had been trained in the military and carried a pistol as my personal weapon for 10 years. What I learned when I went to Gunsite is I THOUGHT I knew how to shoot a handgun...I was mistaken.
     
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    Excellent point. I often wondered why people would invest money in a quality handgun and all the accessories but not invest in some solid training.
     
  17. dango

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    Anticipating recoil ? I do this with my G-36 sometimes and a 10mm. is powerful..
     
  18. C0untZer0

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    So you two are saying the Glock 10mm pistols are no good for hunting?

    If that's the case I wish Glock would notify people of it on their website. The EAA 10mm Witness Hunter can certainly punch tighter groups than 12" at 25 yards - it must be because it's not a "combat" handgun.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Taurus851

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    are you a female? if not, no offesne but your body is built like one.

    why would get a cartridge like 10mm when you are so small? also, shoot at a closer range and you will see some improvement.

    you should have probably just gone with a .40
     
  20. C0untZer0

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    I would shoot the pistol from bench rest, I would also have someone else shoot the pistol from bench rest.

    If other shooters can't get acceptable groups then I think it points to the pistol.

    If other shooters can get acceptable groups at 25 yards than it points to the shooter or shooter/pistol interface. It may be the grips are too big, I think a grip reduction is the only option. A trigger kit may also help...