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Discrimination against atheists in public schools

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by nmk, Jul 17, 2012.

  1. nmk

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    In the school where my wife teaches, another teacher spoke up at a meeting and said, "This is a Christian School, and if a student goes here they should expect that we do things like pray. If they don't like it they should find somewhere else to go."

    My wife had to remind him it was a public school, she had students from a christian, muslim, and a buddhist family that year, and there were staff members who were members of several religions, and no religion, and if he did not like it HE should find somewhere else to be! He was not back for e next school year.
     

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  3. High-Gear

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    Here is a revent video.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRajX5fuSE&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]In God We Teach - YouTube[/ame]
     
  4. Cavalry Doc

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    Good for her!


    Seriously.
     
  5. High-Gear

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    Thanks Doc, she is a very strong willed person. (its a red head thing I think :supergrin:)

    Sorry for typos, dang Ipad.
     
  6. nmk

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    I'm only ten minutes in, but that's scary.

    ETA: Just finished. It got worse.
     
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  7. PettyOfficer

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    Wow, a reasonable discussion without any hostilities. Where am I? Did I follow a link to a different forum?

    Oh wait, still GT, just early in the thread, all the homophobes and wing nuts are still in the BoyScouts thread.

    HI, My name is Ryan, and I'm a free thinker. (can we get a GT support group going... Heheheheh)
     
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  8. nmk

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    No. You will soon be told that free-thinking is a religion.

    :wavey:
     
  9. Bren

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    When I was in public elementary school, we had bible stories every day and they'd take us to half day assemblies to hear a local preacher (Brother Rule - a pseudonym, I'd guess) preach, and play hymns on the piano for everybody to sing along. Daily prayers before lunch, etc.

    I suspect it's why I'm so ready to take issue with these nuts today.
     
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  10. nmk

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    I think you're older than me and probably wiser than me so I value your opinion here. I was raised in private (Catholic) schools in KY and even I think this stuff is outrageous. I was never subjected to what you were. And these are public schools!
     
  11. PettyOfficer

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    I went to Roman Catholic schools through 9th grade and could not lie and write papers for the mandatory religion classes anymore. It was my choice to go to that highschool and my choice to leave and goto a public HS. My parents are religious and pray for me, but they respect me and don't force their point, and I return that respect.

    I respect others choices of religion, and only object when others beliefs are being forced upon me or my family (my Facebook timeline background image is a sign that starts with: Religion is like a penis...). I would have no problem sending my kids to a parochial school as long as they learn about free will and freedom of choice from me and my wife. I am okay with my children taking religion classes to learn about faith systems and would support them if they chose to follow and believe.

    I believe my religious education taught me enough about other belief systems that I am able to respect them as well. However, many of the more fundamentalist denominations don't teach respect for other faiths the way I was taught, and I would not allow my children to attend an education program founded on such ignorance.

    I honestly believe my parochial education was vastly superior to my friends' public education. The life choices of my friends from both systems have proven the end result is worth it (with a few notable exceptions).

    Perhaps I'm more agnostic and guess that I support that Coexist bumper sticker more than anything.
     
  12. yellowhand

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    I was going to stop even reading anything in this section because of all the hooping and hollering, reading this thread is a true blessing.
    Calm, polite, and pleasant discussion of different viewpoints.
    Have any opinion you want, just don't force it upon me.
    Or a big dose of live and let live.
    Nice.
     
  13. PettyOfficer

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    Shalom!
     
  14. PettyOfficer

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    I am going to risk a warning on this photo, however as I see it, it is not directly insulting to any specific group, does not encourage hate, and is free speech.
    ImageUploadedByOHubCampfire1342585255.231834.jpg
     
  15. yellowhand

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    My Rabbi will love this:rofl:
     
  16. High-Gear

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    Unlike cavdoc I have not had a teacher express any atheistic views in school. Quite the opposite actually.

    I had a teacher like the one in the video. She would tell us about satan visiting her at her house, and how satan appeared in the passenger seat of her car and bulled the wheel to cause it to veer into a ditch, but how god moved the trees to keep her from hitting them.

    In high school I said "Jesus Christ!" when I was aggravated about something, and was sent to the princible for taking the lords name in vain. I argued that I could not be held to the teacher's religious standard and did not violate the school policy. I was threatened with expulsion. The principle then spent the next 3 hours witnessing to me before allowing me to leave the office.
     
  17. nmk

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    You don't get free speech on a privately owned forum. :tongueout:

    I'm hoping for an update today.
     
  18. Bren

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    Yep. Mine was in the Powell County public schools in the 70's.
     
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  19. There is a reason why the poorest and least educated segments of society are also the most religiously zealous.


    Sent from my iPhone 4s
     
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  20. High-Gear

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    I think the correlation is actually tied to IQ and religiousity, not education level.

    <a href="http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/SirPwn4lot/?action=view&amp;current=stae.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/SirPwn4lot/stae.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    While in a perfect world there would be a direct correlation with IQ and education level, we have many, many average or even below average people attending college.

    [​IMG]

    India's Hindus blow the curve.
     
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