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Discussion in 'Reloading' started by .50 cal, Feb 10, 2011.
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There's no need to do that.
The Lee powder drop die (included in their 3 and 4 die pistol sets) comes with a small screw-in funnel that will let you drop the powder through to the case while the ram is up. It goes in place of the auto disk (Pro or otherwise) powder measure on the top of the die.
That way, you get your case mouth flaring and powder drop by hand all in one shot, and it'll work in any progressive as long as the die is sufficiently long (that's questionable on a 650. I use the Dillon powder measure so I don't know if Lee's PTX will work on it).
Read a post that said: "...The way I look at it if you want a progressive press and if you want to weigh every charge a 550 or 650 is better than the LNL.The Dillons are a lot easier to pull the case out add the power and put the case back into the press."
I find that removing the case on the Hornady with the spring is a LOT easier than pulling a pin and removing the case. One is a one-hand job and the other is a two-hand job (and no jokes about hand jobs--we can be gentlemen, can't we?).
I found nothing superior about the 650 I used several years ago and REALLY did not like the 550B at all. This is why I don't tell someone what they should buy, but try to make sure that they aren't just drinking the blue kool-aid and have actually made an informed decision. They may, and may will, disagree with me, but I hope they at least looked into things first.
I do not advocate cleaning primer pockets, but it makes sense that it takes no more actual time to deprime with the Lee Universal Depriming die while I inspect and sort.
I can not believe people who:
1) Think that their way is the only way
2) Think that the gun actually needs loads that have been weighed to tighter tolerances than +/- 0.1gn (particularly rifle shooters).
3) Think that the only way to load is to make every case the same as the next--so they trim all their pistol cases and eliminate the few long ones that could actually have produced increased accuracy.
4) Load to the minimum recommended COL shown in the loading manuals (as though it is by divine perfection) and wonder why they are having feeding problems or case bulges.
5) Refuse to start with the starting load and want to know what bullet, powder, and charge weight they should use for their first 1000 round loading session.
6) Get all hung up on why their rounds are not all within 0.002" of the target COL, when they have never even measured their bullets to see how much they vary in length and ogive datum location.
7) Actually worry that full-length resizing that .45ACP case twice while setting-up will significantly work-harden and shorten the life of the case.
I agree with Jack's statements, well thought out reply with merit. However not realistic at all. How many rounds of pistol do you shoot a month? I go through 2000 or more... I know and compete with guys that do double that. I could not imagine the extra pointless work having any benefit. I test my load pretty regularly, my SD's in the last 4-5 santioned IDPA matches I competed in were all within 5 fps standard deviation. Precsion rifle yes I can see the importance but pistol
Lets say you want to weigh every charge on the Dillon 650 press. For one you leave the pins in station 3 and station 4 out. No two hand operation. Pull the case out of station 3 add the powder put the case back in station 4 add the bullet and seat the bullet. The case is right in front of you, no pulling pins every time. I also load normally with no pin in station 3. Have never had a case fall out on me. Where is the case on the LNL? Yes I know where it is at.
Yes I agree for the person to make an informed decision on what press they want. Just like I said before. If you look at the two presss the Dillon to me wins in workmanship and quality. Yes there are things I like about the LNL. But I like more things about the 650. Also like I said if you want auto indexing without a case feeder get the LNL. If you want a case feeder. Get the Dillon. And if you do not care for the auto indexing get the 550.
Yes I know about the Lee and Dillon dies that you do not need to pull the case out to add the powder if you want to weigh every charge. I have both but have found at least for me it is easier to pull the case. Without having to change the tool head or have another tool head set up to do that.
May also add that I have been reloading for 50 years and have been loading on Dillon press's for over 33 years. And have loaded well over a half million rounds. So yes I do know a little about reloading and the Dillon press and how they operate.
Why would you even pull the case to load a charge. Just use a charge die. Lower the handle, charge the case by hand, raise the handle and do it all again.
Steve read all of what I said.
Yes I know it is easy to change out the die on the LNL. But I was talking about the 550 and 650.
Thanks Steve, you just gave me and idea. Will be leaving here shortly for mouse land for the Orlando GSSF match. So when I get back will have to check it out and see if it well work?
Maybe we just don't understand eachother. I would not pull the case on the LnL or the 650. Just use a charge die, lower the handle, charge the case, raise the handle and keep loading.
Nothing to do with changing the dies.
I have found that it is just as easy to pull the case at station 3 add the powder, and then put the case back at station 4. Don’t have to change anything. Did it the same way with the 550 except pulled the case at 3 and put the case back at 3.
Granted there are a lot of different ways in doing this. I have I think tried them all. But for me I think this is the easiest and fastest way of doing it. If I had a tool head set up for like doing rifle and I wanted to weight every charge then yes I would do it like you said. I was speaking more of short runs of ammo that I want to try a different powder, or for load development. We are saying the same thing but I think we are talking about different application.
Forgot to add yes I understand what you are saying.
is it recommended to weigh each charge for a SD Hollowpoint round? should I only be reloading for cheaper range ammo and always purchase my SD rounds?
You only need to be weighting the max loads. Your not going to be making very many max loads in your life.
I get what your saying now.
Disregarding the potential, or non-potential legal ramifications, that subject has been argued to death, why would anyone rely on their self-admitted limited knowledge and experience to try and replicate something that is so readily available?
If you have never seeded a back yard would you start your gardening career by building a golf course? Unlikely... you'd hire a professional.
In the absence of alternatives would you pull your own impacted tooth? Again, unlikely, you'd seek the assistance of a trained dentist.
If you had no experience in operating a lathe or mill and had no mechanical engineering training would you attempt build your own gun and carry it with the expectation of relying on it in social encounters? Probably not, you'd simply go to a gun store and choose one that met your needs.
Realistically ammunition designed for serious situations is no different, no matter your individual need, (within reason) there are more than adequate choices available commercially that have been tested ad nauseam with product comparisons littering the internet.
A viable option is to learn to become a competent and knowledgeable loader which will provide you with enough inexpensive ammunition to develop and hone your skills as a shooter. One who is armed with the magical one shot, one stop bullet is useless if they can't hit the sky with a helium balloon. Practice and resulting competency is far more important than what resides in the chamber.
Buy a couple boxes of what ever SD ammunition you determine will meet your needs, fire enough of it to satisfy yourself as to functioning reliability then concentrate on loading copious amounts of training ammunition and shoot enough that all facets of the activity become second nature.
You're going to be in a lot more situations where you can make wagers with your friends and walk away with their folding money than you are being faced with a social encounter.
Good luck Bob. I love shooting GSSF.
Good luck at the match.
What idea did I give you?
I am going to chime in here and say that the more you stop the reloading rhythm to weigh your charges, the better the chance of getting a squib round or a double charge. Weigh your charge at the begining, set the powder measure, then reload your rounds. Simple, easy, and safe.
At some point you have to trust the press to do the job.
I have been saying the same thing for a while.
I hate saying +1.. but..