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Die Selection

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by LDO, Sep 2, 2010.

  1. LDO

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    I would like to start reloading. So far, I've picked up a Hornady LNL AP and have been reading several reloading books and asking lots of questions. I plan to take my time and ease into this. Something I'm doing more for pleasure and as an extension to my love of shooting.

    My plan is to reload for pistol calibers 38, 380, 9mm, 40 & 45 and also for my AR. Not reloading for competition or to improve accuracy (at this point) just to shoot on the weekends with my family at the range.

    Was curious if there was a specific brand of dies I should purchase over another and if I should consider a factory crimp die or is it something I need to look at, for now.

    Any advice I can get will be appreciated.

    Thanks!

    LDO
     
  2. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    Of the calibers you list any brand die will work with one exception, the .380. Due to the thickness of the LNL tool head most seating dies tend to be too short for the .380 without removing the lock ring.

    The Hornady .380 dies work fine, other than that one exception your options are pretty much wide open.

    BTW, with the free bullet offer from Hornady their dies pretty much end up costing the same as everyone else with the exception of Lee. Good luck.


    Jack
     


  3. Colorado4Wheel

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    Not a fan of Hornady dies any more.

    Lee and Dillon.
     
  4. fredj338

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    I have or do use just about every brand out btu Forster or CH. I prefer Dillon for my 550B, good quality & made to work well w/ the Dillon. Redding, RCBS, Hornady & Lee in that order. Lee dies work fine, but you'll get the occasional QC issues. No one "needs" a LFCD for anything. Proof, I load for 22 diff calibers, not a single LFCD among them. Will the LFCD make better ammo, maybe, maybe not. My limited testing w/ the 45acp says yes w/ some bullets & a definite no w/ others. I see little reason to crimp most rifle rounds.
     
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  5. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    That's because there aren't enough pictures in the instructions for you to know how to use them. :whistling:


    Jack
     
  6. Colorado4Wheel

    Colorado4Wheel

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    It's because they have a huge failure rate in a case gauge compared to my Lee dies. and even the Dillon dies. That in line seater on the Hornady is a PITA and does not work as advertised. I actually case gauge and use dial calipers to confirm my ammo is good.
     
  7. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    You use dial calipers? I'm shocked to learn of this... let me get 60 Minutes on the phone, this is breaking news!

    Oh, and where the hell is my Kimber... I miss my little baby.


    Jack
     
  8. Colorado4Wheel

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    Well, a 20% failure rate first time I used a 9mm Hornady in line seating die. 20% didn't pass the admitedly loose Dillon Case gauge. That was with jacketed bullets as well. Switch back to the Lee and it went back to zero failures being the norm in 100. All the ones that failed had bullets seated just a little off center. It was even worse with Lead.
     
  9. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    Uh-oh, another phone call is in order, this time to the Guinness Book of World Records... you have problems that were here-told unknown to man.

    How's that breathing thing working out for you... in, out, in, out, in, out... or is it not quite measuring up?

    I'm so bored, I wish NASCAR was on.


    Jack
     
  10. Colorado4Wheel

    Colorado4Wheel

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    I'm not the only one. Hozer gave up on Hornady dies as well.
     
  11. unclebob

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    Just one more reason why I own a 650. You can put the lock rings on the bottom of the tool head.
     
  12. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    You can do that on the LNL too but my understanding was that the OP has to buy all new dies... if you're spending the money why not get one that you don't have to adapt?

    Oh, I almost forgot, you get a royalty for every set of Lee dies sold. Silly me, I know you can use the extra money since you didn't get a social security raise this year. :supergrin:


    Jack
     
  13. Colorado4Wheel

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    Uncle Bob doesn't like Lee dies very much.

    Uncle Don is the Lee guy.
     
  14. LDO

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    Jack,
    you are correct. I have the Hornady LNL press but no dies. Well, except for a Lee 4 die set for 380 that a friend gave me to get me started.:supergrin:
     
  15. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    Look at that, I go out of my way to help you look good in the eyes of feeble old unclebob and then you go and throw me under the bus in public. You must be related to one of my ex-wives. :crying:

    Probably doesn't matter, unclebob is either asleep by now or racing for the bathroom 'cause his Metamucil is kicking in.


    Jack
     
  16. LDO

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    Purely unintentional, I just threw the dies in the garbage disposal and called my friend up and told him to F-off.

    -1 friend
    -150 bux for a new disposal unit
    -11 bux for a 12 pack required for installation of above

    Staying in the good graces of Jack and Bob.....priceless...(i think):supergrin:
     
  17. unclebob

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    What are you talking about I use some Lee dies. Dillon, Redding, RCBS, Still have some Herters dies.
    No it is not my bedtime or naptime or the Metamucil kicks in. With the Metamucil and pills I take every morning just like clock work I pee at 6am, pop at 7am. The only trouble is I don’t wake up until 8am.:supergrin:
     
  18. remlap

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    I like RCBS dies I have them in about 20 calibers never had many problems with them in over 25 years.I do use the Lee factory crimp dies in the rifle calibers I just change out there Sucky lock nut to a RCBS lock nut.
     
  19. unclebob

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    By the way Jack looks like I well be close too your neck of the woods in about two weeks. For a brief period of time. Driving out then flying back.
     
  20. 1glockfan23

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    I used to exclusively use RCBS dies, but have found Lee dies to be easier to use, more durable, and cheaper.