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Destruction of my local Volunteer Fire Department

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by certifiedfunds, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. podwich

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    They probably did. That said, I don't blame the guy for wanting equipment tested/certified for his situation. I know I'd want it.

    That said, I've worked in situations where you need gloves and PPE to protect oneself from BBP. I've never been in a union and yet somehow I was still provided the correct personal protective equipment.
     
  2. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    This exactly

    And now that unions are involved, the budget is busted.

    But you should see all of the nice custom expeditions they're driving around.
     

  3. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    There are many things/services that money entitles one to that the unwashed masses dont get. I hate to break it to you. I saw a woman driving a ferrari yesterday. There are expensive restaurants. Do you think that people who own boxes to football games wait in the same line for beer as the person with a simple seat? Do you think you go through the same security line if you own a private jet as you do if you are flying commercial?

    If money doesnt entitle people to things, even more access to govt, call your governor and ask for a a two hour long meeting. See how far that gets you. Now try the same, having a bunch of money, and wanting to talk to him.

    Money does entitle people to very many things. That is just a fact of life. You can like it or not, but that is how it works.


    Go back and read the post. It is about going from a volunteer system, to getting federal funding, a union moving, the federal funding drying up, union still demanding same compensation.

    As I said earlier, some taxes I think are needed. Some are a total waste. You can go on this forum and welfare = bad. Saving someones mother in law = my moral responsibility. Any FD = blessed. Any LEO tax = godlike. Military tax = dont even think about questioning it. Road tax = those damn wasteful workers. Social Security = Old GTer = I earned it so its good. Social Security = Young GTer = I am going to get screwed so its bad.

    People on this forum think most taxes are bad UNLESS it is their sacred cow. What people are not seeing, is the money is running out (or gone). Either some sacred cows are going to have to be scarified or each person is going to have to let a little bit of their cow be eaten.

    We are headed in the direction of the Greeks. We can do something about it (maybe).

    I suggest you go read the newest edition of Time magazine about the fiscal cliff we are withing months (January 1st) of going off. They make the argument we have much bigger problems than Greece. I also suggest you read the first few chapters of this book: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Upside-Downturn-Management-Strategies-Recession/dp/B002XULXOM"]The Upside of the Downturn: Ten Management Strategies to Prevail in the Recession and Thrive in the Aftermath: Geoff Colvin: Amazon.com: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J6yf5M7KL.@@AMEPARAM@@41J6yf5M7KL[/ame]

    It explains why the economy in the 2000s was artificial and why we are where we are at. People still believe in the economy as it was. It will never be like that again.
     
  4. buster55

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    Well I gotta ask
    If it's union firefighters are they using i phones or Androids ?
    :supergrin:
     
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  5. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    Whichever is most expensive I'm sure
     
  6. +1. This is how a Democratic Republic works.
     
  7. .264 magnum

    .264 magnum CLM

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    What does that mean?

    Texas has some unionized labor and Texas is a right to work state.
     
  8. .264 magnum

    .264 magnum CLM

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    Good grief that's a stupid post.
     
  9. Same here in Florida.

    It puzzles me that someone who thinks he's worth a six digit income also thinks he's entitled to free emergency response services. What next, volunteer surgeons?
     
  10. podwich

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    I'd be willing to bet he'd very willingly go to a fee-based system (i.e., pay for the cost of the call-out if you need them). I'd bet he'd pay for a surgeon should he need one.

    There's a difference between carrying your own weight/paying your debts and expecting others to pay for you.
     
  11. hotpig

    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

    Six pages of comments on a local problem. Union demonetize about something it does not have control of. The citizens that sit on the board have 100% control of the district money. They have 100% control of the hiring or firing. It is solely their decision to have career or volunteer firefighters based on their tax receipts.

    They received grant money to hire 14 guys for two years. That money is running out and if they do not have the funds the guys will have to go. They ask the tax payer to keep them on. I bet they would have done the same even if they were not evil Socialist union people.

    CF does not want a massive tax increase. Who could blame him, it is not relevant that CF may have more money than others. It is still his money. How many others in his District can not afford a tax increase.

    We applied for this same grant. As Union President I asked the Board for six guys. They applied for three guys instead. With three guys they stand a better chance of staying on after the grant do to attrition of the current staff.
     
  12. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Someone finally hit on it.

    There is a very contingent of "conservatives" on this forum that look at taxes just like liberals with the exception that they think THEY shouldnt have to pay taxes and THEIR sacred cow should be spared.

    Here is how GT taxation works. Everyone making less than you isnt carrying their fair share. Everyone making more than you isnt paying their fair share.

    There seems to be this idea that people time, money, property is not theirs.

    What is truely separating the "conservatives" on GT from "liberals" on DU? I am really trying to figure out the taxation and personal liberty differences between the two groups? The only thing I can see at the moment is not if there are sacred cows; it is just which cow is sacred and not to be touched.
     
  13. certifiedfunds

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    Our services were fine before. Now, the Chief is in the media threatening a drop in services if they don't receive this new tax money. But things were fine before, services haven't increased. Only payroll has increased. Not so thinly veiled threats.

    I don't have an answer as to why they accepted the grant and hired the people. I suspect there were some within the department who wanted to move it to a paid department so they could quit their day jobs and become paid firemen.

    I wasn't born yesterday. If I'm expected to cough up another $500 this election cycle I will be expected to cough up much more in the future under threat of service reductions. I won't be held hostage.
     
  14. wprebeck

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    Again, you miss the point. The agency is required by both contract (that they willingly signed, mind you - it's not like we can strike, so they delay and delay during contract talks) and OSHA standards to provide certain items. We are not supposed to be forced to buy items that our agency is mandated to provide.

    Of course, you and your "**** you, I got mine" attitude don't matter. You'd have been a perfect robber baron, about 100 years or so ago. That's not intended as a compliment, either.

    I've a feeling you just can't compensate for something, and go out of your way here on GT to berate people less wealthy than you, just to make yourself feel better. In the meantime, you send your kid off to exclusive schools, and tell yourself that because you can pay your own way, the world is a better place to be. Good luck with that. While I don't usually agree with Bruce, I gotta say - you're a dick who cares for no one but yourself. When your wife finally gets around to leaving, I hope your attorney is better than hers. Else, I think you'll find yourself in the shoes of those whom you denigrate regularly.
     
  15. wprebeck

    wprebeck Got quacks?

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    Oh, and do you have any clue how many gloves we go through in a day? Didn't think so. Depending on the position, one may search anywhere from a dozen to nearly 100 people per day, not counting fights.

    I noticed you again belittled the job of someone in public safety. Not a big surprise - but, you're too much of a sissy to do it yourself, so someone has to. Come and play with us, big boy - if you're not too scared. MSNBC has been profiling my agency recently; they've done three episodes, with four more to come. Perhaps watching those better than yourself do a thankless job might change your outlook. Then again, to you, Mother Teresa was a chump.
     
  16. hotpig

    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

    If they are like many VFD the chance to get some full time guys to take the burden of the daily chores and common calls out of the hands of a shrinking volunteer pool is hard to resist.

    Many of the Departments in my immediate are are combination paid, vol, or paid per call. The decision to hire comes out of necessity. Last year 12% of our calls not one single volunteer responded to. The two career guys handled on their own or with help from other departments. The Chief also responds any time day or night even for regular EMS calls.

    I hear total volunteer department in the area have calls and some times they never respond at all. If you have a Volunteer FD in your community your taxes are cheaper but you have no guarantee of immediate service.
     
  17. GVFlyer

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    I live in a 150 year old small town adjacent to a major metropolitan area. Our fire department is a all volunteer force with a 5 minute response time. Our police department consists of 32 officers who are all additionally trained as EMTs or firemen. It's cost effective and works for us.
     
  18. certifiedfunds

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    So I'll ask again: Did anyone contract a blood borne disease in the months you had to use the food service gloves?

    It has been explained to you that the latex food service gloves and medical exam gloves differ only in the label and certification process.

    What does this have to do with gloves, unions or fire protection services?

    I'm trying to pick through your pathetic little rant here to figure out exactly what you're trying to say.

    I don't berate people for not being affluent. I do berate people who think others owe them something. The world is definetely a better place when you pay your own way. Yes, my kids go to private schools. I care about myself and my family first but am a very generous and charitable person. My wife and I are happily married. My attorney is very good. I have enough shoes.

    Did I answer satisfactorily or do you have more d-bag rants to direct at me?

    What I gather from the body of your posts here is exactly how I expect union employees to respond to people who oppose unions so you've pretty much validated my perspective.
     
  19. hotpig

    hotpig IAFF Local 4766 CLM

    There is more than one way to skin a cat. GVFlyer community the VFD was not able to provide the service. They chose PSO to supplement their Emergency Services.
     
  20. certifiedfunds

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    100 people per day? How long is this shift? 10 hours? You're searching and swapping gloves once every 6 minutes with no breaks? I bet that gets old.

    200 gloves per day would be too many for you to purchase yourself, I agree.

    Where?

    Were you forced into it? If its so horrible, why do you continue to do it? Find other employment with better gloves.

    What is it you do? Work in a prison? Why would I want to do that? Nope, never had the slightest desire to do that. I take it you enjoy it or you wouldn't still be there. More power to you.

    I don't understand. Are you like Mother Teresa?