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Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by Old School, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. Old School

    Old School

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    I think the $200 to $500 price increase on completed ARs is here to stay.

    Yes, the panic prices are over. But I don't see mfg. companies investing in new machinery and labor when the product might be banned on a week's notice. They're not going to get caught with excess inventory.
     
  2. nipperwolf

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    :upeyes:

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    Epic thread fail.
     
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  3. larson1122

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    Ya, I doubt it. Demand is high right now, but it will slow down, and prices will follow when it does.
     
  4. Ruggles

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    2008/2009 = 2012/2013 IMO. Production is as max right now, demand is stabilizing (as proven by secondary market price drops) and that simply equals eventually a trickle, a stream and then a flood of ARs on the market.
     
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    I sure hope so!
     
  6. Cole125

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    Wish you were right, but the panic prices are not going away any time soon. Its going to be a long time before the gun industry gets out of the mess that it is in.
     
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    Yeah give it a few months and there will be a flood of LNIB ARs on the market.
     
  8. Ruggles

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    I remember the last flood after the 2009 mess. ARs were everywhere and cheap. :supergrin:
     
  9. bigmoney890

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    Good, i've decided that guns are the best investment you could have right now. So I can't wait until I can start diversifying my calibers :rofl:
     
  10. sappy13

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    The panic isnt totally over, but it is on a downward fall. If you watch what things are actually selling for, not armslist prices or gunbroker, but regular message boards, the prices of ar's of dropped dramatically. Everything is still overpriced, but its slowly coming down. Its at least to a point where you cant just find one in a store or online and then flip it for big profits a week later.
     
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    Good point on the flippers, that will help matters greatly for those just wanting to buy a AR to keep.
     
  12. G23c

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    saw a bushmaster C15 (i know i know) on the shelf at Academy for $725.
     
  13. Old School

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    I don't know that this is an epic thread fail, but I'm not sure I know what that means anyway.

    I'm hoping for a glut of LNIB ARs and a swing to supply & demand balance, but I don't see it coming for at least 4 years. And by then, prices will not bounce back 4 years because of inflation and acceptance of a "new norm". Much as a stretched rubber band loses elasticity over time, so do prices.

    Case in point is the oil and gasoline market. Even when supply and demand dictate lower prices, there will still be speculative pressure that drives price up. Much the same as the days of $2.00/gallon gas are gone, I think the days of a S&W M&P15T for $1100 are gone. Also to note, I see the days of paying $3000 for a S&W M&P15T are gone, that's why I say panic prices are over.

    It's just too easy to imagine the political reaction for the next criminally insane person who commits a horrific crime. Which goes back to my OP why mfgs aren't ramping up.
     
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    After the 2009 panic I was surprised that ammo prices came down, in some cases even lower than before. When I bought my 6920 for $1300 I didn't think it was overpriced since they were going for $1500-1800 at the time, then after things calmed down you could get one for 1K after shipping/ transfer/ tax
     
  15. Old School

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    I hope that this is like 2009 and I welcome any/all of you to drag this thread back up and call me a short sighted, effing idiot.

    zhix, local (Vass, NC) gun shop had at least one NIB 6920s the other day for $1500+tax so your $1300 is still a solid purchase.
     
  16. mgs

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    Prices will not come down much.....things will get worst and the dollar will be worth less. Gas prices and food prices will not be dropping either. The Sheep will need the Fed even more and that's what they want to happen. Here's a post I found:

    "My grandmother told me the same thing 3 years ago and she came from nazi germany, she seen it all and said this is how it started in Germany".

    We are heading for a Socialist takeover!
     
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    Oil and gas don't have the competition that gun manufactures do and almost everyone buys gas and oil.It might take a while but if there is no ban then prices will come down.
     
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    I think the next 4 years or so is going to be like a roller coaster for prices. I do not think Barry and his warehouse full of buffoons are even close to finished pushing their commie gun grabber agenda.

    I also have to agree the value of the dollar will continue to decline and probably do so at an increased rate vs past performance. If the financial **** does not hit the fan in the next 5 years I will be surprised.
     
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    What $200-$500 price increase? Unless you're talking about flippers/gougers, I'm not sure what you mean.

    I bought a Smith & Wesson M&P10 .308 late last night for $975 shipped from Bud's. When they're in stock, the prices on the rest of the M&P line are exactly what they were before the panic. Same with the Colt 6920's and Sig M400's at Walmart. Manufactures aren't raising prices. If your LGS/online vendor is, I'd suggest you find a new place to shop.
     
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    I just got a Sig M400 for $900. :dancingbanana:
    Come and join me in the Stan and you can get a sweet deal too.