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Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Kingarthurhk, Jun 8, 2012.


  1. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    Why is it tragic? Why is it necessary?
     

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    Tragic? Not uniformly, but sometimes achingly so. Necessary? Inevitable given the limited qualities of our physical bodies. Happily, death is only the boundary between two kingdoms. And, we get to choose how we shall live beyond this life. Cool.
     

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    Our DNA shortens every time it is replicated. We age, we are subject to oncogenic mutations, and we become more susceptible to infection. Some people believe there is something after we die, others believe that we are no different than any other living creature in that we biodegrade and become fertilizer. I think the former belief is much more comforting, but also without a shade of evidence.
     
  4. FL Airedale

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    If there was no death, the planet couldn't support the population.
     
  5. Lone Wolf8634

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    Death isn't tragic. Sometimes the circumstances may be, but death is the natural way of things. None of us get out of this alive.

    I fail to understand the second question, unless you mean it literally, in that case, the world is to small to hold everything that has been born since the beginning of life on this planet. Methinks it would be a bit crowded by now.

    Besides, who wants to live forever?
     
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    If I was in pain, sick or suffering some other way, and couldn't end it any other way, I wouldn't mind checking out. Otherwise, I'm sticking around as long as I can.
     
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    I plan to live forever.

    So far, I'm right on schedule.
     
  8. Vic Hays

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    Death is tragic because God wants us to live and not only live, but have good quality of life. God's original intention was that man should live forever.

    Death is necessary because we are seperated from God and He is the source of all life. Only God has life within Himself. The Son also has life within Himself.

    John 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself;
    5:27 And has given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
    5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
    5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.
     
  9. Guss

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    From Mark Twain -

    "I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
     
  10. Cavalry Doc

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    We all get to do it at least once, it's kinda like a rule or something.

    Might as well get used to it, and do it with as much class and style as you can muster.
     
  11. void *

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    It's tragic because we as humans find it tragic, when we care about each other.

    It's not tragic when we don't. (When a serial killer gets the needle, for instance. I don't find that tragic)

    I don't think it's established that it's a necessity, rather than an effect of biological systems being imperfect. There's seagrass that based on data is probably at least a hundred thousand years old, for instance. We've figured out how to extend our lives. We might figure out how to extend them more, potentially indefinitely (barring accident). Although that kind of tech may be a long way away if it's even possible.

    Eventually, there won't be enough available energy to sustain life, but I don't think that means death is automatically a necessity, either. Just a fact that means that life will eventually not exist.
     
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  12. creaky

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    Finally, a post I can go along with. All except for the last paragraph. I believe there will always be life, scripturally speaking.

    What is the current theory, Big Crunch, Cold Death??
     
  13. creaky

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    Even with death, it eventually won't.

    All the more reason to put more effort into colonizing the other planets.
     
  14. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    Well, let's examine that thought. If we are evolving toward a better state all the time as Atheists tend to surmise, then this would be compensated for. The species would reproduce less to accomodate its natural surroundings. Clearly, this is not happening.
     
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    It's my understanding that, since we've observed that the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing, and it looks like it will continue to do so, either heat death (maximal entropy, no energy available to do work) or every particle being so far apart it won't much matter even if there is a tiny bit of energy available.
     
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    Over population has a built in check valve. When a population, doesn't matter what it is, gets too big for whatever reason, it dies off.
     
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    Without death what I am supposed to put on my grill and eat? Death of something else is required so that I may live(plant and animal alike). When I die, my rotting corpse will contribute to the life of some other thing that needs energy to thrive.
     
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  18. Kingarthurhk

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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    It seems unecessary, inefficient, and certainly not evolving in a positive direction. Why do you suppose that is?
     
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    Isaiah 53:4-9

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    You aren't required to put a dead animal on your grill to survive.
     
  20. Lone Wolf8634

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    Probly because clearly, we don't live forever.