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Creepy; drive by the site of a Japanese internment camp every day.

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by vart, Oct 11, 2012.

  1. Ruggles

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    Different era, easy to second guess now and take the high ground about what occured. I for one won't.
     
  2. Foxtrotx1

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    Why do we need one? It was a legit attack....
     

  3. jdavionic

    jdavionic NRA Member

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    Really...do tell what unspeakable things we did to legitimize that attack?
     
  4. Averageman

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    I feel about as much pity for them as I do the folks we dropped the bomb on.
    My Uncle told me about Kamakazee's hitting the Saratoga and how hard they fought to keep them back.
    Read up on the stuff the Japanese walked away from after WWII and your pity might dwindle a bit.
     
  5. Ruggles

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    Uhhh...legit in who's eyes? The Japanese, I am sure it was. Of course for those U.S. Sailors, Soldiers and Marines at Pearl that Sunday morning I wonder if they would agree. Again consider the time in history it occurred it was viewed as a sucker punch and not legit at all.
     
  6. FLIPPER 348

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    Nor do the Japanese Americans need one as it was a legitimate act of National Security.






    War is hell (we did not start it)
     
  7. We had Japanese internment camps up north, a girl I know lives in a small town where the buildings are still very intact, yet vacant.
     
  8. Annoyedgrunt

    Annoyedgrunt Dry Heat my ASS

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    Ten pages of teeth-gnashing, arguments, counter-arguments, etc... and the OP still hasn't come back.

    Good job, Vart. Way to drop the bomb and run. :wavey:
     
  9. G29Reload

    G29Reload Tread Lightly

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    No, it wasnt...unless you really hate your country.
     
  10. G29Reload

    G29Reload Tread Lightly

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    How appropo!
     
  11. racerford

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    What is all of this talk about "racism" when talking about relocation and interment camps for Japanese and Japanese-Americans? It wasn't about racism and "yellow" people. It was about national origin and national heritage not race. As far as I can tell it was not about Asians and Asian-Americans at all, so it was not racial.

    Why is it that people throw the race card about things that are not about race?

    Starting from a false premise nullifies an argument.
     
  12. Foxtrotx1

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    So they were supposed to tell the whole world they were coming? Since when was that a good strategy?

    A Gallop poll taken just before the attacks in 1941 indicated 51 percent of Americans expected war with Japan. We were stupid for not expecting something.
     
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  13. Ummagumma

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    Because it was indeed racism.

    No US citizen of German descent was interred (only some - not all - German born immigrants). Even though some were active in pro-Nazi organizations, were spying on behalf of Hitler, some were actually preparing for diversions/acts of terror. Likewise, no Americans of Italian, Hungarian or Romanian background were interred based just on their ethnic background. Even though these countries were at war with the US. Only those who were actually caught working on behalf of the enemy were apprehended, the way it should be in a lawful democratic state.

    But the American citizens of Japanese descent were all rounded up, stripped of their constitutional rights, robbed of their property, and sent to prison camps. Just because their parents or grandparents came from Japan. The newspapers of the time were full of "yellow danger" and similar slurs. The Japanese Americans were been treated differently than German Americans, even though they posed about the same level of danger. And many newspaper references at the time were outright racist. If that's not racism, what is it then ?

    Imagine that we go to war with Ireland and all Americans with Irish background are arrested and put in camps - sounds ridiculous doesn't it ? How about arresting all Polish Americans during Cold War ?
     
  14. Jeffe

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    There was one right next door here, and on an indian reservation no less, let that blow your mind.
     
  15. Ummagumma

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    What does it have to do with Americans of Japanese origin ?

    Germans did even nastier things, does it mean that any American of German origin should had had their rights stripped away ?
     
  16. Dragoon44

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    No, that is NOT what happened. it is the American hating far left that promotes this myth. That all Japanese Americans were rounded up and put in "Prison camps." They deliberately blur the lie between Internment camps and relocation camps.

    Internment camps were for non citizen Japanese (resident aliens) and the 5,620 Japanese that formally renounced their U.S. citizenship when America went to war with Japan. if their spouses and family were Citizens they were not required to go. They could go if they wished but only with the understanding that if they did they had to remain for the duration.

    Japanese Americans who were not renunciates were not required to relocate to the relocation camps, they were required to leave the exclusionary zones established on the west cost.

    They wee free to relocate outside the exclusionary zones.If they had no where to go then they could go to the relocation camps. They could leave anytime they wished. Over 4,000 students were given full scholarships to universities outside of the exclusionary zone.
     
  17. Ummagumma

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    OK, I didn't know that. Still, this is where their homes and businesses were. So they were kicked out of their homes but allowed to go to the interior. And this didn't apply to German or Italian Americans (many of whom lived on East Coast which is where Germany would strike if they ever won in Europe). Still, looks like racism had more to do with this than actual necessity.
     
  18. Ummagumma

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    Roosevelt wanted US to get involved in WWII much earlier. However Congress wouldn't go for it. So he forced an oil embargo on Japan - which has no oil reserves - understanding fully well that this meant war - the Japanese had to either allow their industry to collapse, or strike. If a country tried to prevent oil from reaching our shores today, this would rightly be considered an act of war.

    It's not like Japanese attack was unprovoked, or unexpected.
     
  19. ron59

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    So it's creepy to drive by a gas station? Huh.... only the prices scare me.

    Seriously... you probably drive by TONS of places where atrocities have occurred in the past. It was almost 70 years since that particular one happened. Go back a few hundred years and maybe you're driving right by where an Indian massacre occurred or something.

    Ohhhhh..... scary.

    Sheesh.
     
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  20. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    And that is bad enough but it is not the same as being dragged off to prison camps.

    The executive order authorizing forced relocation did not specify Just Japanese and Japanese Americans. Germans and Italians were also required to leave the exclusionary zones. The difference being that only Japanese Americans were allowed to temporarily relocate to relocation camps. Germans and Italians were not allowed.

    There was other differences between Japanese Americans and German Americans and Italian Americans. No German Americans or Italian Americans renounced their U.S. citizen Ship. 5,620 Japanese Americans did. Also a great many Japanese Americans refused to take a loyalty oath. (The same one that has to be taken to become a naturalized American Citizen)

    Here is the actual Executive Order.