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Cops as Conservatives

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by lopak, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. lopak


    Mar 9, 2012
    I'm having a real problem with the current political climate. Seems worse than previous years. Makes me want to stand on a street corner and shout.:steamed:

    Are cops more "conservative" than the average citizen? Why?

    I contend cops are likely to question motivation and agenda. Having seen and sorted liers, cheats, and drunks, they have learned to recognize the same. The rose-colored glasses come off.

    I contend cops are less likely to want to be seen as "kinder" and "gentler" as a person, state or nation. They see an underlying struggle for advantage daily.

    Dealing with reality, they see how thin the veneer of humanity can be. They see how fast things can go downhill.

    They see fellow citizens floating along, blinders on, oblivious, wanting their "fair" share. True citizens of the world - the rest of the world wants their "fair" share, too.

    They see how important "old-fashioned" values can be - family, religion, self reliance, personal responsibility - shoring up the flaws of humanity.

    Are there any takeaways for the general population from this? Is anybody really listening? Hello?

    Deep breaths. I'm too old to grind my teeth like this.
  2. Just_plinking


    Jan 24, 2012
    I'll play, since you said general population. A lot of cops belittle the constitution, and get their paycheck from the government... so I'd say no :tongueout:. (that was supposed to be a little tongue in cheek)

  3. The September 2012 Police Magazine published results of their polling. The results showed peace officers overwhelmingly conservative in values and overwhelmingly supportive of RKBA issues (contrary to what you may hear or read from groups on both sides).
  4. IMO, yes.

    The majority of cops I know and work with are very conservative. I think it's mostly due to our unvarnished view of reality and society.

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  5. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

    Dec 18, 2004
    San AntonioTexas
    I saw that and from what I see, it is fairly accurate.

    At some of the bigger unionized/collective bargaining agencies, you see a little more lean towards liberalism but I think the trend is still conservative.
  6. Plenty of liberals inside the fence where I'm at. Too many.
  7. blueiron


    Aug 10, 2004
    I am libertarian [not a Libertarian].

    Government has no business minimizing individual rights for the benefit of any groups. They should have minimal interest in over-regulation of business. Both are the antithesis of the Left. Screw equal outcomes - the concept and reality of it is un-natural to nature and humanity.

    As far as conservatives go, I deplore social conservatism and want all religions' influences out of government. Religion as a guiding and moral concept doesn't bother me, but the daily business of humanity should be conducted with the concept that a deity cannot be proven or disproven to current human understanding. While the Western concept of justice owes much to the Judeo-Christian traditions and morality, we as a culture cannot be equally and concurrently accommodating to every religious concept from new-ageism, Shintoism, Buddhism, Wiccanism, etc. We are a Western culture and it has worked for us for centuries.

    Likewise, I don't care what consenting adults do in private or who they elect to form a union with. Government should allow adult prostitution in the Nevada model and oversee it as a public health matter. Conservatives need to butt out of the bedrooms.
  8. blueiron


    Aug 10, 2004
    And yes, there are plenty of 'social workers with guns and uniforms' out crusading in my area.
  9. Quote from Blueiron: ".... a deity cannot be proven or disproven to current human understanding."

    With respect, there are those who would beg to differ with that statement. Our senses do not tell the whole story. This much I can guarantee.
  10. Even so, I do believe in separation of church and state.
  11. blueiron


    Aug 10, 2004
    I am using the Scientific Method to quantify existence. Faith is another matter all together.
  12. Fiery Red XIII

    Fiery Red XIII Adorkable CLM

    Sep 20, 2006
    Most cops I know are VERY conservative...many even teach shooting/defense/Carry classes on the side.

  13. packsaddle


    Jan 15, 2009
    do you also use the scientific method to quantify love and logic and truth and rationality and math and trust?

    are they not also part of our existence?

    not trying to debate, just pointing out the flaw in your premise.
  14. It's all good. The dirty dealer meant no harm. Too much geritol can do that to you. :rofl:
  15. Conservatism at its base wants to stick to the law and fundamental beliefs of the system. Liberalism/Progressivism wants to interpret it as we go and fight the system and change the system to do what they want.

    Guess which one fits law enforcement better? It's really that simple.
  16. Goldendog Redux

    Goldendog Redux Shut your mouth

    Aug 22, 2003
    If you said this in briefing most cops would look at you with a drop of drool on their lip and then the conversation would turn to football.

  17. Maybe so, but I am in lockstep with everything blueiron said. I started out more conservative than my parents were, but enforcing the law as a career (30+ years so far) has made me more and more libertarian.

    I really believe that the government that governs least governs best. I really don't care what consenting adults do behind closed doors (and I believe that it's more about control than morals for most of the people that do care).

    IMO, people that hurt other people should be the main focus in law enforcement.
  18. merlynusn


    Nov 16, 2007
    I'm more libertarian. Have been since before it was "cool" to be one.

    Also, there is no separation of church and state. It does not exist. All that exists is saying that the government cannot establish a religion, not that religion needs to be out of the public eye. If I want to put up a nativity scene, I should be allowed to. But in the same space, you can put a menorah, etc.

    But I digress... I think most cops are "conservatives" because they see the way the world really is. They see the failed policies of both parties enacted and understand what really works. Nothing like getting into a foot chase and then a fight with an 18 year old who is in section 8 housing with 4 flat screen TVs, collecting disability, buying steak and lobster with their ebt card and driving a $50,000 Lincoln/Cadillac. Liberals would tend to call that 18 year old disadvantaged. Conservatives would tend to call that 18 year old milking the system. Which one do you think we'd agree with?