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Considering what has happened in Fukushima

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by gwalchmai, Mar 14, 2011.

  1. gwalchmai

    gwalchmai Lucky Member

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    Can we now say that nuclear power plants are inherently safe?

    We are looking at the very real possibility of three containment breaches, something that we proponents of nuclear power have said could not happen. It's true that the earthquake which caused these breaches almost never happens, but we can recover from an earthquake in 50 - 100 years without doing anything. That is not true for a meltdown. Those effects will be with us for generations.

    So, what do I tell those people who ask me "Didn't you say this wouldn't happen?"
     
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  2. a_tack

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    Well, we're talking about 3 reactors that have been in place since the early 70's. I think technology on nuclear power has developed alot over the past 40 years.
     
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  3. Altaris

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    Personally I think we are fine. Their reactors would have been fine with just the earthquake. It was the Tsunami that knocked out the backup generators and really made a mess. That combined with the fact that the reactor is 40 years old, and doesn't sound like it is up to the specs of the current reactors. I think we have beefier containment areas as well.
     
  4. coastal4974

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    Considering it has the safest record of all other fuel sources, I would say so.
     
  5. Jon91N/A

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    You would have to be a complete imbecile to think that the failure of a power plant due to a rare and catastrophic natural event is somehow a legitimate reason to write off nuclear energy.
     
  6. NMG26

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    Uh yeah.

    Leasons are to be learned here to make them safer......not to do away with technology.
     
  7. Brucev

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    Cool with nuclear power. The good folks in Japan will sort this out. Record of nuclear power generation is excellent in France, etc. U.S. needs to do more nuclear power... lots more. Let the arabs drink their oil.
     
  8. gwalchmai

    gwalchmai Lucky Member

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    It's just a question, Jon, and if you feel that it threatens any of your deeply held beliefs you don't need to respond further.

    Thanks.
     
  9. cowboy1964

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    We could build a new coal plant every day like the Chinese are doing.
     
  10. airmotive

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    What's the death toll from the nuclear power plant damage?

    And if we add up ALL the people who have died from radiation exposure from both the Three Mile Island accident AND all of the Japanese plants during this event, you will find that more people were killed by elephants in Tennessee in the last 4 months. (no, seriously...I didn't just make that up)
     
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  11. carguy2244

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    Burning coal and oil seemed innocent enough 100 years ago. Today, climate change. Today's reliable, safe nuclear power may be viewed differently, when future generations will have no safe way to store it, and our great great grandchildren are born with both eyes on the same side of their faces.
    We have the technology to harness wind and the sun for electricity - we're just too caught up in instant gratification.

    Nuclear power is just as safe as fossil fuel power - or just as dangerous.
     
  12. gwalchmai

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    Yes. On balance the risk is worth taking.

    But some will ask why we're still operating 40 year old designs and why aren't all nuke plants upgraded to withstand unforeseeable events. How much are we willing to pay per kWH in terms of dollars and in terms of risk?
     
  13. .45Super-Man

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    Sorry, but to say that "it almost never happens" seems pretty far from the mark. How many years has it been since the first nuclear reactor went online? Now, how many accidents and catastrophies have happened in that relatively short time span??? Hasnt anyone ever seen all of the birth defects and high cancer rates as a direct result of Chernobyl?
     
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  14. INJoker

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    Just subbed in a few words to see if it changes your thinking at all...
     
  15. gwalchmai

    gwalchmai Lucky Member

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    I heard the silent "so far" in your statement. ;)

    As of last week how many people would have guaranteed that the Fukushima reactors were quake proof?
     
  16. gwalchmai

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    No, it doesn't change my thinking.
     
  17. just a shooter

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    because they are still viable and don't wear out.

    what unforeseeable events do you suggest? a direct hit from a 1000lb meteor?

    a nuclear bomb strike?


    should we make them 1 mile thick in concrete and steel 1000 miles from any human habitation?:rofl:

    perhaps build a man made island in the middle of the pacific and put them there...
     
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  18. gwalchmai

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    A tsunami.


    Maybe. Again, how much is electricity worth, and how much is safety worth?
     
  19. Never say never and never say always.

    Safety is a relative term. Relative means arbitrary values are placed on elements of the equation. I say arbitrary values because everyone has different values. One person may say a failure every 10 years is acceptable, another person may say a failure in unacceptable ever.
     
  20. Myke_Hart

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    We should build more nuclear plants here in the US.... But put them in Cali! :supergrin: