I know I'm going to get flamed here, but I figure its worth while to show how the real BATFE, not the political appointees that you all (and everyone in the Bureau) hate. If anyone wants to make an adult argument against the BATFE's existence, I would be more then happy to listen to it, on three conditions: 1) You pay a $200 tax stamp to me and fill out a form with a 6 month turn around time. 2) Read my post first, because it will address a number of concerns. 3) Have proof, and be an adult with your argument, please do not slander the men and women who put their lives on the line to protect (believe it or not) your lawful use and ownership of firearms. You only have to follow 2 & 3 of the above in order for me to discuss your points thought Heres the story of me: I remember accepting the offer to be a SA in the BATFE, I had lots of concerns, because like all of you, my only experiences were of the Bureaus failures, and my father who was in lobbying on Capital Hill and his rants against the BATFE and gun control. I decided on the BATFE anyway, I loved explosives and Firearms, and figured having a 2nd Amendment loving SA would temper the assumed anti-gun feelings of all of my coworkers. I couldn't have been more wrong. After training and being assigned to my first Field Office I realized that all of my coworkers supported the 2nd Amendment as much as me. No one, absolutely no one in the BATFE that I have ever met wants to take away your 2nd Amendment rights, however this is America and things must be regulated in order to keep order. For that the BATFE uses Congressionally passed laws, the United States Code, and the Code of Federal Regulations. Constitutional, Criminal, and every other relevant type of lawyer has argued the legality of use of each of those 3 for firearms law enforcement countless times. The judiciary agrees that it is legal and constitutional. All three branches of Government agree on it, and as per our Constitution, I uphold all three, I did then I still do now. It is not now, nor has it ever been a conspiracy against lawful gun owners, just unlawful ones, if you didn't want to be responsible and not follow the laws governing Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, or (me specifically Explosives, it was my job to arrest you. You broke the law, I'm law enforcement, thats how things in our society work. If you don't support the NFA, push Congress to repeal it, or the Executive to write an Executive Order ordering the BATFE and FBI to cease and desist in enforcing it. The BATFE has very little to do with it other then enforcement. If the NFA was repealed you would also see a good chunk of the BATFE's section of the CFR disappear, and Special Agents would happily stop enforcing things such as SBR, SBS, and Fully Automatic weapons. I guess where I'm going with this is, its the fault of politics not the Bureau for 99% of the things you don't like about the BATFE. Now to some hot button issues: (Anything from my time with the Bureau that I experienced might seem vague because of classification and non-discloser, everything else though, I will be blunt), non of this is official US Government position and should not be quoted as such. Q) Fast & Furious defend that! A) There is absolutely no defending that, I'm not going to try, the OpSec was a cluster, they had no true plan, and it was come up with by the politikers not Special Agents. Did Eric Holder lie to Congress, I believe so, and thats horrible, but no BATFE Special Agent, including myself during my time there, would ever lie under oath, we look down on anyone who does the same way you all do. Q) Branch Dividians, you all are corrupt villains out to show force and kill women and children. A) David Korresh (spelling?) blatantly broke a number of laws and believed himself to be the messiah. It was a lawful warrant that the BATFE and FBI were serving, he chose to kill 4 Agents. The siege then started with the hopes of freeing the children of the cult. Did agents involved feel bad about the outcome, they felt bad about the children and 4 Agents who died. Why didn't the BATFE wait for an unarmed David to be on a run to arrest him outside of the compound? Simple, the Bureau feared that with the "messiah" captured, the Branch Dividians would commit mass suicide Jonestown style. Q) You all (the BATFE) illegally write laws to limit the 2nd Amendment A) No, the BATFE with the help of US Attorneys under authorization of Congress write a section of the CFR that regulates the broad laws passed by Congress. Q) The BATFE only exists to take away citizens 2nd Amendment rights A) Again, no, if anything the BATFE wants to make your 2nd Amendment stronger, as long as you execute it legally. Q) Why do you say BATFE instead of ATF, isn't it officially ATF? A) My sub-division was mainly the Explosives and real egregious firearms offenses, we used BATFE because it includes the E. Q) Why does my SBR or SBS form take so long to process and why do I have to pay $200 to exercise my 2nd Amendment right A) Funding, the gun lobby limits the BATFE's funding leaving very few people to review the forms and make sure you can legally own what you are asking for. As for the tax, well this is America, death and taxes, make your own joke. Q) If the BATFE isn't that bad why did you leave? A) A lot of my skills (language, NREMT-P, good at long away from home travel) weren't being utilized and I was often detailed to other agencies anyways, so everyone thought it would be better to send me where they would be used. Q) But what about my 2nd Amendment, you still are trampling on it with regulation. A) Listen, no Amendment is absolute, all of them have regulation tied to them. Without regulation on even just our Bill of Rights, there would be anarchy, for a well functioning society there must be regulation involved. Its a tough pill to swallow but it is the truth, I don't like it anymore then you men. Q) But I need my Fully Automatic SBR to protect my family and the Constitution says I have a right. A) Thats your prerogative, as long as you follow the law and obtain it the right way you are going to catch no Flak from the BATFE. Q) What can I do to make the BATFE not exist anymore. A) Executive Branch or Congress, but if the BATFE were to simply disappear the FBI or DEA would receive all of the BATFE's funding and personel and enforce the same laws. Now if you want to get rid of all federal firearms laws, good luck living in that United States, if you have ever been to Yemen where everyone walks around with a Automatic weapon you know what I mean. Q)????? A)I don't know what else you all want to know, ask your own question and I will answer it. I do work 8 hour shifts and must eat and sleep so if I don't respond immediately give me some time. Have a nice day everyone Wanna kill these ads? We can help!