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Concerned about discharge when holstering

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by ghh3rd, Jul 5, 2011.


  1. ghh3rd

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    I own a Glock 27 and am very happy with it. I've been carrying it in a crossbreed IWB holster and have only one issue. I wear the holster at about 3:30 - 4:00 and can't see the gun when holstering. Every time I slide the gun in, I have a fear that something will catch the trigger and cause a discharge.

    I am considering installing a NY trigger, which I think increases it to 11 lbs pull which should make me feel a little better. Although I do have range time with this gun, it's not for pleasure, solely to keep proficient for carry, so I’m not too concerned about extra pull.

    I have considered a radical alternative - switching to a SA/DA gun such as a Sig, but I really want to avoid that, because it's not a Glock.

    The other option I was thinking of is installing a safety - it's one more thing to remember in a stressful situation, but even some experts such as Massad Ayoob advocate having safeties, if one practices using them until it's second nature to release them.

    Any thoughts about the trigger kit, or safety? One issue with the safety is that I’m left handed, and I've only seen RH Glock safeties.

    Before I get flamed for being concerned, I'd like to say that I don't think that any amount of reassurance will make me feel better about holstering without being able to see that trigger slip smoothly into the holster, but I do want to keep using my Glock for carry.

    Thanks,

    Randy
     

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  2. Shasta McNasty

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    11lbs is and your finger off the trigger are enough assurances for most. if it still concerns you get an m&p with a thumb safety or something.
     

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  3. Steel Head

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    I take off and put on my holster with gun it it.
    The only time I take out gun is for cleaning or shooting.
    As far as reholstering gun while practicing I have a look twice slow and easy approach to it-there is no rush.
    My m-tac is pretty good to reholster-I also set up holster so pant waist is not over the edge of the kydex on holsters like the m-tac or cross breed.
     
  4. Sonnytoo

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    Sir, that trigger-guard is called that for a purpose. Unless you have a real crappy holster, your gun should slip in like silk.
    If you carried your gun in your waistband (Indian-carry), like lots of folks have done (and do), you'd have reason to be more concerned.
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  5. Folsom_Prison

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    I carry a G19 in a supertuck, I've never had an issue and I don't see the problem. Form fitted kydex for your weapon. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard, slide it in. Am I missing something?
     
  6. barstoolguru

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    man are they going to flame you..... god forbid if you should mention a safety. I was just telling one of my followers on another thread how much I like the saf-t-blok for just this reason...... watch the hate come........lmfao

    EBay 13.00 free shipping......good luck
     
  7. TACC GLOCK

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    Unload the gun, check it again to make sure it is unloaded, then practice re-holstering just like you do when you practice unholstering, after about 5000 times, it become second nature.

    Your safety is your trigger finger.
     
  8. 21Carrier

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    Take your holster off, give it a little squeeze (apply pressure as if it were in your waistband), and just sit there and holster/unholster the thing until you are satisfied that the trigger won't get pulled due to the holster. Really, it won't. The only two ways I can see it happening are if you accidentally had your finger on the trigger and RAMMED it down in the holster, or if your shirt got caught, and then you RAMMED it down in the holster.

    Unload the gun, and try holstering it with something caught in the trigger. See for yourself how hard it is to make that trigger break accidentally. Even try holstering it with your finger on the trigger. Really, you will be amazed how hard it is to get the trigger to break. It is not as fragile and easy as you think. As long as you have a quality holster (leather or kydex), you will be fine.

    If these exercises don't prove it to you and make you feel better, then just remove the holster from your belt to reholster.



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    WAIT, PLEASE READ THIS!!!
    Seriously, I knew I had tested how hard it was to accidentally break the trigger before, and I remembered it being VERY hard to do accidentally. Well, I just tried it again. DO IT!!! You will quit worrying!!! Put your finger on the trigger and try to force it into the holster and make the trigger break. It HURTS! And I couldn't even get the trigger to break. Then, I took a shirt, and put a piece in the trigger, and tried to holster it. I got mine all the way in, and it still wouldn't fire. It was HARD as hell to get it in there. If you have something caught, YOU WILL KNOW! Try it and you will realize that you would know you have something caught WAY before you are in danger of fully pulling the trigger. Please just try it out, you will quit worrying.

    If you absolutely have to, check out the Siderlock safety, the Saf-T-Plug, or that frame-mounted one Massad Ayoob uses. They are all good options, but they sort of defeat the purpose of a Glock.
     
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  9. 3.slow

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    post a pic of your holster. My holster does not have anything that could depress the trigger and it has a trigger guard. I agree, it sounds like you have a doodoo holster
     
  10. mgo

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    Not necessary to change the trigger. Just have the proper holster. I use the Galco Triton Kydex holster. The clip allows easy on/easy off with the pistol remaining in the holster. I have used this holster in competition matches and it has always worked well; it does not come off the belt, even when drawn quickly. When reholstering after loading prior to shooting a stage, I always take my time and make sure the holster is clear of clothing before the pistol goes back in.

    Of course, be sure and use a proper belt, not some cheapy "dress pants" skinny belt.

    Under concealed carry conditions, reholstering should never be necessary unless you have needed the weapon. (let's hope not!)
     
  11. AA#5

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    I have the NY trigger in 3 of my Glocks. They increase the trigger to 8 lbs. I didn't do it for safety; but because I like the consistent pull & I'm used to a DA revolver anyway. I am one of those who shoot faster & more accurately with the NY trigger.

    When holstering my Glock, I'm more cautious about taking my time & making sure no thumb snaps or clothing is in the way. I only use OWB holsters with Glocks. If I wanted an IWB, I'd only use kydex.
     
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  12. Sippo

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    Any mechanical solution doesn't really substitute for proper training and due diligence. Worse case it could lead to a false sense of confidence that could actually contribute to a negligent discharge!

    Check list of ideas:

    1. Be sure to purchase a holster which covers the trigger guard and has a reenforced mouth which allows one-handed reholstering.
    2. Wear a cover garment that is weighted and reenforced for easier clearing of the holster
    3. Slooow reholstering, painfully slow with even downward pressure. Don't ram it home if resistance is encountered. I've actually seen that during IDPA competitions. I think that could override any "NY trigger" or DA/SA set up.
    4. Don't muzzle yourself while reholstering so even if you have an NG it's less likely to end up inside your thigh!
    5. Train reholstering beside a mirror and watch for muzzling and garment clearance. Don't muzzle your support hand BTW.

    Perhaps with training you'll gain enough confidence to not sweat the NG. What do you think?
     
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  13. ron59

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    Trigger, safety, blah, blah blah.

    Seems like you're making something out of nothing. Yes, IF your pants are buttoned, then it can be difficult to see the gun go into the holster. But who says you have to have your pants buttoned to insert your gun into the holster?

    I also have a CrossBreed Supertuck. And I will "install" it into my pants with the gun out. I often might have my pants buttoned so they won't fall down when putting it on, because it can be a bit of a pain. BUT... once the holster is ready... unsnap your pants and hold up the right side with your left hand. No way you CAN'T then see your gun going in the holster... heck, you could have the pants halfway down your thigh if that's what it takes, or even around your ankles. Put the gun in the holster, and THEN pull your pants up and snap/button them, or tuck your shirt, whatever. Yeah, you might have to practice some, as it's easy for your pants to fall back down as you're doing that, but it's certainly doable and no impossible feat.

    But hey... far be it for you to actually think about "the process" of putting your pants on, that's tough stuff, huh? :whistling::rofl::tongueout:

    Sheesh.
     
  14. ronin.45

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    Only use a safe holster. I don't think there is anything on a CBST to catch the trigger. You could always get one of those aluminum blocks that fits behind your trigger. You will need to practice popping out during the draw though.
     
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    I too use the saf-t-block in all my Glocks. An individual choice that makes me feel comfortable.
     
  16. troysglock

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    Good holster with a steel lined mouth for leather, or a kydex holster. No gunfight was ever won by a speedy reholster. Slow down.
     
  17. Squeeze

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    I am not sure about safety options on a Glock, but as a NRA Instructor, and a Hunter's Ed Instructor, I see this concern often. As a matter of fact, when my wife went pistol shopping, for her CC pistol, this issue came up. She settled on the M&P pistol, and opted for the manual safety model for her peace of mind. Not my choice. I practice 2-3 times a week, either from a Blackhawk CQC holster, or a Comp-Tac Infidel(IWB), with Glocks and XDs. I draw into tactical scenarios, and holster after the simulated threat is down. I never worry about a ND, but my finger is out and over the trigger guard, and it protects and guides it into the holster. But this is all about your comfort, not mine.

    If you can't prove to yourself that tactical pistols(without safeties), are safe, once technique is mastered, start looking for a pistol that does leave you comfortable with holstering at 4 o'clock.

    FWIW, I carry my G27 at about 5'oclock, in the Infidel, and the thought of blowing a chunk out of my butt never crosses my mind. :shocked: Well may be once, but decided it wasn't all that great of a butt to be worried about.:rofl:

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  18. fuzzy03cls

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    I have this same setup & wear it the same.
    I'm confused as to your fears. Do YOU really fear this or is it brought on by posts about a glock going off while re-holstering? There have been many recent posts about this & I'm thinking your basing your fear off them instead of YOUR experiences.
    Only time the gun comes out of the holster is for practice or SD. In practice you are in NO HURRY to re-holster the gun. You can take your time & find the holster & place it in slowly. Or look at the holster & guide the gun in.
     
  19. bandmasterjf

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    Unless you have a finger growing out your butt you should be ok. I don't think you should be in a hurry to holster or re holster. My guess is that if you ever have to pull the gun you'll be more concerned about how fast you can get it out, not so much about putting it back.
     
  20. vafish

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    Well there are about 2 million defensive gun uses ever year and only about 1,500 of them is someone actually shot.

    Your chances of drawing a gun and having the thug run away are pretty good. At that point you will will want to discreetly reholster your gun.

    I personally have started to draw 3 times, but never needed to fire a shot. Being able to quickly reholster before someone can call 911 about a man with a gun is important to me.