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Concealed Carry in Restaurants w/ alcohol

Discussion in 'Bluegrass Glockers' started by uscmas412, Jun 1, 2007.

  1. uscmas412

    uscmas412 Got GLOCK?

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    The law on packing.org is somewhat vague on this matter. I take the law to mean you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, but not in the actual place where the alcohol is served (i.e. the bar). Is this correct? In SC we cannot carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol.
     
  2. Houngan

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    That sounds about right, although let's face it, where the bar ends and the restaurant begins is a pretty fuzzy matter in a lot of places.

    H.
     


  3. fryeg7

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    i am both a kentucky CCDW holder and certifed instructor, so i can offer a somewhat 'expert' opinion.

    you can carry (fully loaded) in restaurants that serve alcohol provided you don't sit 'at the bar'. as long as the restaurant receives more than 50% of it's income from food, it's not a bar. since louiville recently imposed its socialist smoking ban, this is a good indicator of the restaurant's status. if the smoking ban applies, you can carry there. if you can smoke inside, it's a bar.

    you may carry in a bar*, provided the weapon is FULLY UNLOADED. (*i am not a lawyer and this is my own personal interpretation of kentucky state law, which i have studied on my own a good deal). i base this on the fact that KY state law says it is not a crime to carry a concealed weapon anywhere an unconcealed weapon is allowed. the law also specifically says you may not carry a LOADED weapon into a bar. this implies you may carry an unloaded weapon concealed into a bar. the statutes define 'unloaded' as no rounds in the chamber with no magazine inserted (or any rounds in the cylinder for a revolver).

    apparently, the state considers a fully unloaded handgun to no longer be a deadly weapon. i hate leaving my pistol in the truck, where it can possibly get stolen and is not under my direct control.

    if anyone has a different interpretation of or a hard and fast answer to the bars and unloaded handguns question, please pipe up. i can't find the law, nor any precedent.

    frye
     
  4. domzilla9

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  5. Crazy4nitro

    Crazy4nitro Happy Accidents

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    Driving is More Dangerous...:tongueout:

    Good point of view Frye.

    Crazy4nitro
     
  6. Thanks that pretty well answers my question. I`m an Indiana License To Carry holder. We are going to be visiting family in Glasgow Labor Day weekend and I was concerned about restaurants that serve alcohol. Here in Indiana we can carry in bars.

    http://www.el-mazatlan.com/Glasgow/Menu_Opening_Page.htm
     
  7. Leigh

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    Restaurant MUST also have seating for 50 (in addition to the 50% revenue from food sales).
     
  8. What? Haven't heard that 'seating for 50' rule. Where is the statute for that?
     
  9. costanza187

    costanza187 I like Macs

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    I don't know of the statute for sure, but I have always heard the 50% rule myself.
     
  10. Brian Dover

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    As an observer from across the Ohio River, it has long struck me that Kentucky's firearms laws have a nice amount of "grey area" in them, to the extent that a righteous gunowner will have some room to defend himself in the judicial arena as well as on the street. :cool:
     
  11. glockluver

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    In N.C. if it serves alcohol it's off limits to ccw which means fast food can't even eat at pizza hut because they serve beer.