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Concealed carry around base question

Discussion in 'The US Air Force Forum' started by griggrt, Feb 3, 2008.

  1. griggrt

    griggrt

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    I will be commissioning in a little over a year and I have a few questions.

    1) Is there any way to get a carry permit to carry on base?(I will be a security forces officer)

    2)If answer to #1 is NO, can I keep my handguns at home if I live on base?

    3)What do I do if I want to conceal carry off base and I am coming on base(if I live on base)?

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. deadday

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    1. No concealed carry on post unless acting in official capacity.

    2. Yes, but most posts require them to be registered with the PM

    3. Don't tell anybody. (not advocating breaking the law here. If you want to safely and legally transport your weapon from your home to the gate, and from the gate back to your home, get a safe for your vehicle. Before you pull into the gate, stop on the side of the road, weapon in safe. Enter. When leaving post, weapon goes in safe, leave post, pull off to side of road, holster weapon, move on.)




    drew
     

  3. torrejon224

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    NO concealed carry on any military installation. Base housing depends on the installation commander, some require that you store any POW (personally owned weapon) at the SF Armory, carrying from town on to base is iffy, random vehicle searches are a real possibility and if you create any type of suspicion you will be searched and your screwed. Best bet is to find out the rules when you hit wherever your assigned and abide by them and always remember that a military installation is a lot different from the civilian world especially in todays environment.
     
  4. crazypilot

    crazypilot ERAU Alumni '05

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    The only people I've seen to get a permit to carry on base are OSI.
     
  5. griggrt

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    Thats what I have heard, I was just wondering if there was anyway around that.



    Thanks for your replies.
     
  6. deadday

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    Nope.




    drew:wedgie:
     
  7. crazypilot

    crazypilot ERAU Alumni '05

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    Unless you're really close to the base commander:whistling:. He's the one that has to sign the form.
     
  8. deadday

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    <------way to low on the food chain for that to happen....I did ask the Surgeon General about it (well, the acting SG at the time) and she said that she didn't think it was a good idea, especially in a WTU...




    drew
     
  9. DJ Niner

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    I don't think that will do it, either. If the safe is inside the passenger compartment, and you have access, it will be considered a concealed weapon in the vehicle. Loaded or not won't matter.

    AFAIK, the only way to legally transport weapons on-base (home-to-gate or gate-to-home) is to have the weapon unloaded, cased, and not accessible to the vehicle occupants (usually in the trunk). This can present a problem with small-ish regular-cab pickup trucks, as there is no trunk and you can reach everywhere in the cab with a little stretching, so be aware of this vehicle-specific problem if you drive one.
     
  10. meangenedrlove

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    Also, here at Cannon (not sure about other bases) there is a local instruction to **edited** CAFB 30-101 **edited** (had incorrect Regulation #) that states whenever you are going to transport a weapon on base, you need to call the L.E. desk and notify them when, where, and how you'll be transporting the weapon on the installation.

    Also, the random searches that happen at the gate make it a very bad idea to "not tell anyone" because if you get searched and you haven't called the L.E. desk to notify, you are in violation of an AFI which could bring another set of problems into your life depending on the persons carrying out the search.
     
  11. deadday

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    PM here says it's ok so long as it is a locking container, but that will obviously vary from place to place...Calling the MPs everytime you want to move your weapons? That's just nuts...



    drew

    ETA- about the random checks. An unnamed person with the security company here gave me the 'keep your mouth shut idea'. I won't get into specifics on their policies here, but if you PM with some kind of Creds, we can discuss further...

    ETA2- What is an AFI? I'm assuming it's the AF equivalent to the AR-Army Regulation
     
  12. md2lgyk

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    AFI - Air Force Instruction
     
  13. deadday

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    Gracias!
     
  14. ks farmboy

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    at all of the bases i have been stationed, the rules have been the same.

    (1) you cannot carry on base. you are supposed to have your gun in the back of your vehicle unloaded and in a case when travelling on base. you are also supposed to go straight from point a to point b.

    (2) you are allowed to keep your weapons at your base house, but you are supposed to inventory them with the sp's. i lived on base for two years, never had my vehicle searched, and had kept guns at my base house. for me, there is no way im telling someone that i dont know what guns i own. that is ridiculous to me. to fill the form out correctly, you are supposed to have your supervisor sign it, your flight chief, your OIC, your commander, the base commander and it is kept on file with the SP'S. ill be damned if i tell all of them what guns i own and where they are kept at my house. storing them at your house--you are supposed to have them locked up (out of reach if you dont have a safe), and the ammo is supposed to be kept in a seperate room.
    (3) if you CCW off base and are coming on, you are required to unload your gun and place it in a case in the back of your vehicle with your ammo stored elsewhere. once on base, you are supposed to go directly to your house. going off base is the exact opposite. you cannot have it loaded until you get past the gate. a CCW means nothing to the USAF.
     
  15. ravenkeeper98

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    That's why I live off base. Also, if you are bringing a registered firearm back on to the base, you are to inform the gate guard that you have a registered firearm in your vehicle, and that you are proceeding directly to the place of storage, ie.. base housing or armoury. Don't be surprized if your followed.

    Heck one time when I did live on base (in the dorms), I had got back from shooting with a friend. I kept the pistol in his safe at his off base house, but I still had the target in my back seat. I got waived through, but had a SP car pull in behind me as I parked in the dorms, SP got out and asked if I had a firearm on me, because the target was noticed in my car. Just tild him that it is stored off base. He said ok and left. I was surprised I didn't get searched.


    I work with a guy who also has his SC CWP and it looks like a driver's licence. The gate was doing a 2 photo ID check, he pulls out his drivers licence, the CWP was under it. The SP askes, oh you have 2 licences? His reply, no, its a CWP. The SP actually backed up and put his hand on his side arm. He said, relax dude, its not on me, and besides, a person with a CWP would be the least likely to do anything. lol
     
  16. deadday

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    I keep my CHL behind all other forms of ID (CAC, TDL, TCLEOSE Card, then CHL) for this exact reason, nobody needs to see, nobody needs to know I have it unless I'm stopped by a LEO.

    The rules you listed sound very similar to the Army regs I've encountered except for declaring the weapon at the gate. And while I did have issues with the registration, failure to do so, and being caught results if permanent revocation of on-post housing priveledges at that installation (though it can follow you when you PCS if you really piss off Garrison Command.



    drew
     
  17. ks farmboy

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    i live off base now as well.
    as for telling the gate guards that you have a gun, EGLIN AFB does not require that. im about 99% sure that they say just proceed to your residence. it say nothing of telling the guards. if you are asked to have your vehicle searched, you sure as hell better tell them before they find it. (if they do)
     
  18. 93GT

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    I was MC security forces at NSB Bangor and base housing was just inside the gate at the time. I just had to take firearms down to the base police station, fill out paper work with the serial number on it and keep a copy with the firearm when coming through the gate. I never had to keep it in the armory, notify the gate guard unless searched, and I was searched about every 7 or 8 times I came through the gate. I stored them in my house and never thought twice about it. The policy didn't change when 9/11 happened and that is on a strategic weapons facility. It was different on every other base that I have been on, but then again I have not lived on base since then so I have no reason to bring it on and off base. Each base will most likely be different even in the same service.
     
  19. ravenkeeper98

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    I'm not sure you have to declare, but heard its better to just say it, that way they get you going on your way, would want to keep you from storing them in a timely manner.

    I never had to worry, always lived off base when I started to own my own guns.
     
  20. For some reason, my beloved USAF is frightened of guns. Doubt me? Other than CAT As, how often do folks actually hit the range? Annoyed the hell out of me for all the times I went on and off McChord. I should note that it got interesting during my tour with the adjacent ANG group (Camp Murray). Let's see, there was a time when my CATM NCOIC was at VAQ and forgot his cocked and locked under the pillow and the maid went in to clean. I remember some multi-striped skycop coming out to North Fort to chat with him about the discovery.

    Here you have folks hauling around enough fuel to create a small path of destruction, shifting bombs around or even moving nukes. And you can't trust them to carry CWP off duty but on post? Insane thinking. Sure as hell didn't stop the kid at Fairchild a bunch of years back.

    Then there was the time I got off duty as a FT cop and flew to McChord. Gate guards got all sideways because I was in my POV but in uniform and looking to check in my duty gun to the armory. Of course, it was a beautiful nickel finish P226 that was spotless on Friday. Retrieved it Sunday after noon and it was filthy. Had a come to Jesus chat with the desk sergeant who lied and said it was never fired. Out come my badge, creds and business card which said "firearms instructor." Also comes a request for the OIC to contact me. A short time later, accepted an apology from the OIC who admitted that someone had obviously shot my duty pistol. Carried concealed to VAQ after that in violation of the regs.