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Closing the Private Sale "Loophole"

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by SgtRambo, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    Forget what Feinstein has proposed. What she has proposed means nothing, other than a possible starting point.

    What I'm asking is, do you think SOME TYPE of anti-gun legislation will pass?
     
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  2. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

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    Then why are you promoting, advocating, endorsing, and suggesting offering a compromise up front?

    I am glad I quoted you before you edited your post.

    :cool:
     
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    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

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    You're vacillating.

    Why is it important whether people believe or don't believe that the legislation will be passed?
     
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    Do you believe that anti-gun legislation IS going to pass?
    No I dont believe it will pass, this isnt going to be very pretty, but if we have gotten to this fiscal cliff certainly the dont have the juice to pass gun legislation, people hold it more dear than a budget.
    Do you believe there is no avoiding the passing of some sort of anti-gun legislation?
    I believe it is avoidable and without compromise. The NRA and GOA better find a very good spokesman and I mean right now and get him out there to speak for us.
    Its hearts and minds time.
     
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    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

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    How about this.

    Scenario #1: "Yes, legislation will pass."

    Your comment is:


    Scenario #2: "No legislation will pass."

    Your Comment is:
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    For a couple of reasons.

    First, as you seemingly already understand, it (hopefully) would serve to defuse the masses. As I have stated several times in other threads, this is the most important thing to do.

    Second, we firearms owners (through the NRA) would look compassionate and understanding in the eyes of the general public, further defusing the masses.

    Thirdly, we (through the NRA) would actually be involved in the legislative process. We would be able to exert some control over the specifics of what gets passed. We would be doing pro-active damage control.

    The Health Care Industry virtually wrote Obummer Care? Why? Because they were smart. They got involved at the very beginning, and had a hand in crafting that legislation, making sure that their own collective butts were covered.

    If we move forward from a basic belief that some sort of anti-gun legislation is going to pass, then it would be smart to be pro-active in our approach. To actually be involved.
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    Great.

    Then you should not be concerned with any of this discussion.

    I agree that Wayne La Perrier is terrible, and needs to be replaced.
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    Because it's the basis of starting a discussion.

    I folks don't believe there definitely will be anti-gun legislation passed, then there's no point in discussing anything further.

    If, on the other hand, folks DO BELIEVE that anti-gun legislation is going to pass, then the next discussion to have is "what to do about it"?
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    #1: I have already expressed my view points in the other threads you linked to. I would now like to hear what you and other people think we should do.

    2#: Then there is nothing to talk about.
     
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    I don't understand this. While I personally don't like him I am glad that the NRA is talking about dealing with the mental ill and actually doing something that will make a difference. (armed guards in schools.)

    We could easily fund police in every school at the local level by adding 1 or 2 tenths of 1% sales tax. in the small county I live in 120K people 1/10 of 1% on sales tax to about 4 million dollars a year. (I work for the local government and this is our average)
     
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    "If".

    Do you actually think appeasing will stop any kind of legislation?
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    Yes, if done properly. Please read my other posts in this thread for more explanation as to why I believe this.
     
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    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

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    I understand that is what you believe. I do NOT believe that at all, no way, no how.
    False. When you go in to negotiate, you do not go in offering any compromise up front.

    The NRA is not going to be as positively influential as you think. You do not even belong to the NRA. What influence would you want the NRA to bring on Legislators?

    If a legislator responds in agreement with the nasty NRA, his or her constituents will hang them. If they vote responding to grass root input from us through VCDL and like kind groups, not the NRA, they are responding to the people.
    Again, the NRA is not in the best position to control the specifics in legislation. Your Representative and Senator here in Virginia will cast the votes. Work on Warner, especially. By the way, have you joined the VCDL yet?
    The 'Health Care Industry' is not one group, one organization. It is comprised of many large and small groups, special interest groups, who brought their wish lists to the table and to House and Senate hearings. Do you believe there will be in depth hearings?
    Yes, but not behind the NRA. The NRA should be only one small part of the process. State organizations like VCDL should be working with Representatives and Senators to present our case to Congress.
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    Russ, you just refuse to answer the question I posed to you directly, don't you?

    Do I need to ask the question again?
     
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    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

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    You have too poor an understanding of how politics are working today. These guys are cut-throat predators who will perceive any offer of compromise as weakness. They will tout even an offer as a total breakdown of our will and resolve and pursue their total agenda with even more enthusiasm.

    Or, as I said before, you are terribly naive.
     
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    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    given the known past of the anti self defense/anti gun rights crowd (here and abroad, they think the same way), and the link i provided for you to read.....how on earth could you think giving and inch will stop further assaults on our rights?

    can you point out just one example where we lost a gun right and further assaults on our gun rights were stopped?
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    I have already answered these questions.

    In this very thread and in others. Also in direct response to your asking these questions earlier. Please read all the posts.
     
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    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

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    I answered your questions directly. Did you not like the answers?

    You have no comment on my response to your post?
     
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    :rofl::rofl:

    Yeah, o.k.

    So what should we do Russ? Since you believe that anti-gun legislation IS GOING TO PASS, what should be our next move?
     
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    M&P15T Beard One

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    You have not answer my question, and I have asked it twice now.