Peace Warrior, Bumping 11/1/13 since you have again been participating in Religious Issues Given your indication to no longer participate in the So, You Think You're Smart? thread, I started a new thread to continue the conversation. A basic of writing/editing is to not use more words than is necessary, and the preceding text didn't change the message. As Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to John Adams, "I apologize to you for the lengthiness of this letter, but I had no time for shortening it." Of course, roses beget roses and dogs beget dogs. I'll go one further and say that no parent organism has spawned an organism that was anything other than their own species. I never said that they weren't related, and of course, they are. There is a common ancestor that can be found between any two species (animal or plant). Dogs and roses have a common ancestor, but that does nothing to suggest that "that a couple of roses, 'cross-pollinating,' would beget a dog". Given that you find macro-evolutions primary tenets to be absurd, could you explain these primary tenets as you understand them, and we can try to work from there. Thanks, -ArtificialGrape By the way, your refusing to capitalize Darwin's name is petty and childish. I capitalize God, Jesus, Christian, Bible, etc. without believing in them.